Was CoD4 Wrong?

[CptainCrunch]

Bashandslash has a clip and article up about the reason why Call of Duty 4 was great for PC.

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By changing the way the PC online experience works, Infinity Ward is effectively saying that some of the basic elements back in CoD4 did not succeed.

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Here is a great interview made just before CoD4 released by Modern Warfare's senior man at that time, Grant Collier.

He cites as huge positives:

- the fat pipe provided by dedicated servers

- the moddability of the game

- Punk Buster anti-cheat out of the box

Fast-forward to MW2 and Grant is gone, as are the community's servers, the moddability is probably gone too and of course Valve's anti-cheat system (VAC) has replaced PB. Listen carefully, the ironies in this video are superb. Thanks to Frans B. for the link.

Very conflicting with what is being purposed now. We do not know how Modern Warfare 2 will be, but does this seem to contradict what is happening?

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[RangerXML]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

I welcome our new VAC OVERLORDS!

Lets see;

Getting kicked by punkbuster for using xfire, check. (was a short lived bug, fixed)

Getting kicked by punkbuster for using EVGA Precision tool, check. (still going on)

Getting kicked by punkbuster for using Windows 7, check. (was resolved)

Getting kicked by punkbuster because automatic updating doesn't work, check. (this one killed a whole night, because a whole group had to update before we could go online together)

Getting kicked by punkbuster because of a 'punkbuster error', check. (go in, manually delete PB and reinstall)

My grieve here is only with PB, something that did not work in COD4 nor has it ever. VAC, ZERO issues! PB, good bye.

PS, Punkbuster not updating is one issues that does not seem to be fixing itself.

[Rogue Warrior]

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CoD 4 was awesome!

Unfortunately, this new game, whats it called Modern FAILURE, will go down in flames

[PPSKevin]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

i agree it was better on pc

[Spik3d]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Grant's gone, as in no longer a part of the IW staff?

Anyway, CoD was a success, CoD2 was a success, and CoD4 was a success; I have no idea why IW thinks those game's did something wrong.

[jesus]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Grant's gone, as in no longer a part of the IW staff?

Anyway, CoD was a success, CoD2 was a success, and CoD4 was a success; I have no idea why IW thinks those game's did something wrong.

I think it's because they're making more money on the consoles using the current system proposed in MW2 in games like CoD4 and WaW. They may think that this will make the PC sales more like the console sales. Especially since WaW was a success on the consoles and a failure on the PC.

[MarineNugem]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

I think it's because they're making more money on the consoles using the current system proposed in MW2 in games like CoD4 and WaW. They may think that this will make the PC sales more like the console sales. Especially since WaW was a success on the consoles and a failure on the PC.

If they think this way, I am sorry, but they are not smart people.

[jesus]

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If they think this way, I am sorry, but they are not smart people.

I know, right? But any other reasoning is even worse than that one, LoL.

[ThatEvilGuy]

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That video made me remember just how seriously they prepared for CoD4, demo, beta, modders consulted, they were very serious about that game.

I wondered what happened to Grant, does he not work with IW anymore? I liked him much more than the weasel 402.

MW2 release seems to be very loose and they are not prepared at all and there really haven't been as many(or any really) huge changes like there were with CoD4.

[Mavrik347]

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That video is one of the strongest arguments and testaments to COD6s failure.

God speed. :salute:

[stilla-killa]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

You guys haven't even played the game and already condemning it. You are the worst generation of kids I have ever seen. Always whining and bitching when you don't get your way. Learn some patience. While you guys are twiddling your thumbs trying to figure out what to play 3 weeks from now, I will be having a fun time with MW2 on the PC in sp and mp. Actually I will probably come back and rub it in your faces how fun the game is. The only failure I see here is your attitudes along with all those that signed that stupid *** petition. I guess 150,000 people are going to miss out on a great game.

[CptainCrunch]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Yes, please come back and tell us how great multiplayer is on PC.

What do you like about the improvements that let you know its going to be as long lasting as CoD4 or WaW? Or will it be as long lasting as C&C3 and DoW?

Is it just the new things that is grabbing your attention or something more in the game?

Crunch

[jesus]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

You guys haven't even played the game and already condemning it. You are the worst generation of kids I have ever seen. Always whining and bitching when you don't get your way. Learn some patience. While you guys are twiddling your thumbs trying to figure out what to play 3 weeks from now, I will be having a fun time with MW2 on the PC in sp and mp. Actually I will probably come back and rub it in your faces how fun the game is. The only failure I see here is your attitudes along with all those that signed that stupid *** petition. I guess 150,000 people are going to miss out on a great game.

Due to the amount of games that turn out to be complete failures these days, it certainly doesn't take a genius to predict which games will suck and which won't. And with all this new information about MW2 PC version it makes the predication much easier.

PC FPS games need to be made with careful consideration. If they're not, they fail.

There's only been 5 FPS games that have lasted years, and will continue to last:
CS, CSS, BF2, CoD4 and TF2.

[stilla-killa]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Yes, please come back and tell us how great it is on PC. Maybe you will give us more information than what IW has done so far.

What do you like about the improvements that let you know its going to be as long lasting as CoD4 or WaW?

Crunch

I never said it was going to as long lasting as COD4 or WaW now did I? I said none of you have even played the game but yet you are condemning it already. And I would have fun with the game regardless even if it ends up failing. They should change the title of these forums to Total Gaming Whining. B/c that's all I see here these days.

[jesus]

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I never said it was going to as long lasting as COD4 or WaW now did I? I said none of you have even played the game but yet you are condemning it already. And I would have fun with the game regardless even if it ends up failing. They should change the title of these forums to Total Gaming Whining. B/c that's all I see here these days.

Well, you see, some of us value our $50 (or $60, in MW2's case. Are you content about the price increase, too? LoL.) and would rather not spend that much money on a game that will be semi-popular for a couple of months and then be dead after that.

If we wanted that, we'd be playing on the consoles, not PC. PC gaming is all about longevity and replayability.