Was CoD4 Wrong?

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Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Since MS and Sony take around $10-12 from each console sale, and everything going into the retail side takes about $10-12, then you have marketing and development... The publisher's end up making about $9 profit on each console game sold at $60. When they sell the game for $60 on PC, that jacks the profit up to $19-21 per PC game sold. That makes each PC copy they sell worth TWO of the console copies when it comes down to profit.

So why screw us over? What goal could they possibly have? Follow the money? If you look at it from the profit standpoint, PC game sales can mean a LOT if they actually move merchandise. But if they fling poo and mock us, that's lost profits and all of that.

So again, what is the motivation here?

[Dr Random]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

stilla-killa, you don't come across as an older gamer as you seem to try and portray yourself. I don't appreciate being called "Kid" at the age of 22 either.
I know what I like and want in a game and these changes I do not want or like. There is a majority of whining and I agree with you there but if you go through the crap you'll find a decent set of arguments about the changes that do make a good case as to why these changes can and will not be any good for the community.

If your going to play MW:2 then by all means have fun but please do not come here and insult people based on an assumption of age. It by no means make you morally better.

[Rogue Warrior]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Well IW hopes that use PC'ers have a console like pleasure of playing the game. Well if I wanted that, I would buy a CONSOLE!!!!!

[jesus]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Since MS and Sony take around $10-12 from each console sale, and everything going into the retail side takes about $10-12, then you have marketing and development... The publisher's end up making about $9 profit on each console game sold at $60. When they sell the game for $60 on PC, that jacks the profit up to $19-21 per PC game sold. That makes each PC copy they sell worth TWO of the console copies when it comes down to profit.

So why screw us over? What goal could they possibly have? Follow the money? If you look at it from the profit standpoint, PC game sales can mean a LOT if they actually move merchandise. But if they fling poo and mock us, that's lost profits and all of that.

So again, what is the motivation here?

Dedicated servers would be paid for by us, not Activision/IW. However, now that they've removed dedicated servers and replaced it with this IW.net system, who will pay to maintain those IW.net servers? Acitivision/IW will have to, so maybe that extra $10 on the price will be an attempt to make up for the costs to maintain those servers.

At least, that's what I think.

[Dangerdog]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

If that's true Tomeis, and it probably is, then poor sales on the PC will most likely result in poor support for the PC.

If this unproven IW.net system blows up in their face and results in a game that's completely unplayable I doubt the result will be to redouble their effort and fix it.

[l=l-ONeill-l=l]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

I did sing the petition and pre-ordered MW2 pretty much in the same day. Why? I like the way game looks and I think SP is going to be great. But at the same time I complitly disagree about dedicated servers and no mod tools.

Sounds to me that roomer about delaying PC version for to weeks is to solve problems with dedicated servers and mod tools. Like to see how the game would run on IW.net. And if this stuff did not work out, here is dedicated files for your servers. They probably were thinking of delaying the game, but got scared that PC community would eat them alive for it. At least that's what i think and hope for.

[Stev0esque]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

You guys haven't even played the game and already condemning it. You are the worst generation of kids I have ever seen. Always whining and bitching when you don't get your way. Learn some patience. While you guys are twiddling your thumbs trying to figure out what to play 3 weeks from now, I will be having a fun time with MW2 on the PC in sp and mp. Actually I will probably come back and rub it in your faces how fun the game is. The only failure I see here is your attitudes along with all those that signed that stupid *** petition. I guess 150,000 people are going to miss out on a great game.

I only signed the pettition, Im not boycotting. A lot of those 150,000 probably will buy it. The pettition wasnt to make people avoid the game, its was just to put Dedi servers back in. Yes, its too early to say its bad, but its too early to say its good as well. This attitude of guilting people in just because they dont want to buy something is a bit forceful, dont you think?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Stilla-killa, you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about. Its not the "changes" which are ticking people off. Its the proven (factually, historically) changes for the worse. There is no MP FPS P2P game which has succeeded yet, on PC. But if you enjoy FEAR2 MP and its 10 players, then by all means, flame us some more.

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On topic. The changes were made to secure sales against piracy and cash in from DLCs. So I dont think anyone should be surprised.

[Piemaaan!]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

There's only been 5 FPS games that have lasted years, and will continue to last:
CS, CSS, BF2, CoD4 and TF2.

CoD2 ;o

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Since MS and Sony take around $10-12 from each console sale, and everything going into the retail side takes about $10-12, then you have marketing and development... The publisher's end up making about $9 profit on each console game sold at $60. When they sell the game for $60 on PC, that jacks the profit up to $19-21 per PC game sold. That makes each PC copy they sell worth TWO of the console copies when it comes down to profit.

So why screw us over? What goal could they possibly have? Follow the money? If you look at it from the profit standpoint, PC game sales can mean a LOT if they actually move merchandise. But if they fling poo and mock us, that's lost profits and all of that.

So again, what is the motivation here?

In simplified terms.

1. Secure sales against piracy
2. Secure loss of revenue against loss of sales due to no dedi-servers

[stilla-killa]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Well, you see, some of us value our $50 (or $60, in MW2's case. Are you content about the price increase, too? LoL.) and would rather not spend that much money on a game that will be semi-popular for a couple of months and then be dead after that.

If we wanted that, we'd be playing on the consoles, not PC. PC gaming is all about longevity and replayability.

I can't help it if not most or all here can't afford a 60$ game on your their allowance they still get from mom and dad. How bout getting a job and join the american work force.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

If by "American Work Force" you mean the people who would take anything a company will tell them, then no thanks, Im going to do just fine in my "Estonian work force".

[stilla-killa]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

stilla-killa, you don't come across as an older gamer as you seem to try and portray yourself. I don't appreciate being called "Kid" at the age of 22 either.
I know what I like and want in a game and these changes I do not want or like. There is a majority of whining and I agree with you there but if you go through the crap you'll find a decent set of arguments about the changes that do make a good case as to why these changes can and will not be any good for the community.

If your going to play MW:2 then by all means have fun but please do not come here and insult people based on an assumption of age. It by no means make you morally better.

I guess getting that Atari 2600 for Christmas in the late 70s rules me out as an older gamer.

[Dr Random]

Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

Perhaps so, you could be bull****ting for all I care.
Your assumption of age and your seemingly justified insults because of that are not acceptable either.

Stop trolling and go away or add something constructive to the thread.

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Re: Was CoD4 Wrong?

I guess getting that Atari 2600 for Christmas in the late 70s rules me out as an older gamer.

So, you enjoyed ET and played it for years? Bet trusting them felt like a good move, huh?
If you're really that old, you should know better than to trust someone who is only after your money.