Assault class -- Basically useless?

[sidtherat]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

wargimp - with all due respect, but i dont think you are THE person to judge assault rifles usefulness. your assault rifle k/d is 0.5!! if you claim the G3 to be monstrous and great, it should have been above 2.0 or more.

same goes for PHPT. to judge something usefull, show us stats that prove you know what you are talking about. g3 is THEORETICALY good weapon, charts do not include 'omg im short on ammo' factor, 20 round clip is scarry, but 5 clips in total is even worse. fairy tales about kiling few oponents on one clip are just that - stories. it can happen, but it isnt common.
g3 recoils heavily, has small clip, and low clip count. i tried to use it, and even had some succes, but.. g36e is better, even l85 is better 'when you know how to use it' [typical mantra some use too much]

remember, that there are other factor beside numbers, numbers dont kill

[WarGimp]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

I die quite often doing stupid things without even firing a shot. Ya know... getting spawn camped, being the meatshield (I'll actually announce "K, I'm the meatshield! GO!!), trying to defuse claymores with my face, crashing planes... whatever. Assault it my *whatever* kit. I'm also a venerable arty magnet.
:p

If you notice, my assault KDR ain't too bad tho. Seems my medic time drags the rifle catagory down a bit. Again... doing stuid stuff mostly.

It's too bad I just resently patched. I've got a BR file that showed me doing some perty cool stuff with the G3. Got that 5 kill on one clip streak, nailed some dude with a headshot at fairly long range that the sniper beside me had just missed, and survived multiple encounters going toe to toe with PKMers. (also showed some perty good use of smoke. I did wanna render it out... but the patch came up and... well, whatever.)

As you say... there are other factors besides numbers.


Besides, none of that effects the value of the suggestion I made.

[sidtherat]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

actualy, assault having armour AND long sprint distance was suggested by me a week ago, but as always went completly ignored.

this + 4 smoke grenades would have put assault in interesting position. but still medic would have been just as good at killing. giving medic an assault rifle was a mistake imho. giving them so good unlocks was an even worse mistake.

[WarGimp]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

actualy, assault having armour AND long sprint distance was suggested by me a week ago, but as always went completly ignored.

I think I saw that... I also think I mentioned it a couple time... month ago.

Whatever. It's a fairly logical way to go. Doesn't tax the mind too much. That's why I think it could be pushed forward.
Glad you agree.

this + 4 smoke grenades would have put assault in interesting position.

I like the idea of more smoke too. Sometimes, it's really handy to advance under the cover of smoke. I've been playing with it in squads and working on covering the whole group. Cool thing is, when I'm with my squad tossing smoke cans, there's useually a support guy there to hand me more.

still medic would have been just as good at killing. giving medic an assault rifle was a mistake imho. giving them so good unlocks was an even worse mistake.

I think the G36e went too far. The L8 wasn't bad since it's not reliable. It does a bit of everything, but nothing really well. Give you a reason to have someone around to back you up. The GE tho. Jeez. One clean burst puts people down. It's a friggen ninja weapon.

I wasn't aware that medics were supposed to preform the ninja role.

[RingPirate]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

Well I don't suppose it's possible to give the F2000 to the Medics and the G36E to the Assault Class. The G36E would have been the argument for Assaults. Or at least give them the regular G36 instead of the G3.

[Mekstizzle]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

The fact it is so weak makes it satisfying when you get in the top 3 as assualt without using vehicles.

But.

More smoke grenades, same sprint as spec ops/medic/sniper. Keep the armor. You have that overall balanced class that assualt is supposed to be. Never going to happen though, DICE only likes Snipers and Medics.

[Chris_Redfield]

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The fact that most people playing are NOT assault, means the class is fudged up and doesnt serve its purpose. As already said- Assault class should be your first choice.

[QWFreak]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

I would tend to think the root of the problem lies largely in the factors which are affecting balance of the class over the others.

Many admire Medic, because it revives, heals and kills to make 4 points totally. And for Support, it rearms and kills to make 2 points. Spec Ops sabotages and kills to make 2 points. Assault only takes 1 point for killing. But don't forget the pros and cons of each class. Assault are less prone to get killed. I play most of the time as a Medic and some times Spec Ops, both are too easy to get killed specially when you are up against the DAO. And by the way, DAO is admirably to use, compared to G3. To be quite honest, I find G3 nothing special. I also find the L85A1 nothing special except its scope which offers a really good zoom range for identifying enemy not for shooting. I am a bad shooter, I never make many points by shooting. Using L85A1, I don't even know how to aim with the scope, I can never get the target's ID when aiming with the carret.

I think Assault is just about right, it's all about the same principle of BF2. The BF2 spirit spells "Team work". One class compensates for the other. That's why we have to make squad which consists of different class.

Also, the experience of getting kill and killing varies from servers to servers. When you come to a laggy server, you get killed is not because you are bad skills, but the lagging.

If anything needs to be added to the Assault, I would say, flashbag, smoke granade and the grappling hook. "Assault" right, should be the first class you choose to choose.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

When I make a squad, theres no assault there. Heres your "balancing weaknesses".

[Flares]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

I like assault, the G3 is a great rifle and the smoke can be handy when you wish to extract yourself from a sticky situation. If you have SF, the FN2000 and flash grenades are a great combination for clearing buildings or flags.

Make 'em the only class that has both mobility AND armour?

Nice idea

The other tweak that I'd like ta see is making the GLs a little more effective. They definatly got over-nerfed.

Agreed. Maybe also give them more than one smoke grenade and an extra magazine for the G3.

[Terroser]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

You may learn one day when you decide to play more competitivley that guns like the DAO-12 make you lazy as you dont need to aim.

Then you will wonder why that guy with the pistol is owning you at long range

:) So true

[Terroser]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

Also why does usmc assualt get 6 ammo clips and mec / pla only get 4 ? both have the same ammount of rounds per clip I always found this strange

because the AK series from MEC/PLA are much better then the umsc.

Limiting yourself to anything but unlocks is just as bad as limiting yourself to unlocks: You fail to see the full scope of what you're able to do.

Good players don't use unlocks or stock weapons exclusively, they constantly alternate their weapon choices based on the situation.

Not tottaly true for me.

I don't use the unlocks because it make it to easy to kill somebody!!
Is no fun at all if you shoot everbdoy with 4 bullets down.

like the scar-l

I shooted 4 people down with a entire clip and stil head 5 bullets left, to use
To easy.....

[Mekstizzle]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

If the M16 had full auto instead of that god awful 3 bullet burst i was use it more often.

[Terroser]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

If the M16 had full auto instead of that god awful 3 bullet burst i was use it more often.

??
If you learn to shoot, you could take a guy out in one second because you can shoot with the M16/M162A much faster the the Ak serie

Justr try it.

just fast two clicks and eh is dead for sure if you aim is good.

[govedob]

Re: Assault class -- Basically useless?

No offense to anyone that plays as Assault most of the time (I play it some myself), but when you compare the Medic class to the Assault class, what advantages are there besides the nerfed (well, ALMOST nerfed) nube toob and a lame smoke grenade?

The noob tube does still work pretty well, and the smoke grenade may provide a little bit of cover if you need it, but besides those two things, what good is the Assault class even going to do you?

The Medic class offers the ability to heal and revive teammates, while packing you with an assault rifle that's nearly as good (if not, JUST as good) as the one the Assault class gets (minus the noob tube, that is.)

This means you're not only helping out the team, but you're getting TONS of points in the process, which come from healing, reviving, AND killing!

I know that this is a pretty common-sense-type argument that's been around pretty much since BF2 has been released, but now with the toning down of the noob tube, I just figured I'd bring it up again to see what everybody thinks... I've been wondering about this for a little bit now, and I honestly can't see any reasons at all to choose the Assault class over the Medic class.

The only thing I like about assault is the G3. One thing I hate the most is the GL.