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Smoke screen is fine, theres cover from the jets and their fighters, not to say that there not effective but you feel you've at least a 50% chance of getting to a flag.
The quarry doesnt work well, its too far to walk anywhere and your driving so long that it feels like your never going to get to a flag before the bomber pounds you off the map. The map shape helps the pilot he just flies a circuit.
I don't understand really, with so many tanks you would have thought Dice wanted big tank battles to happen. It just feels like they've put plenty of targets out for the bomber. Smokescreen works as the airpower doesnt dominate, Quarry doesnt because air power anhialates.
well weasel, i would say that i have a 100 percent chance of getting to the next flag.... if thats what im going for, and im not.
i dunno how you guys play smokescreen, but when i play it we get a tank squad of about 4 guys, all engineers, and go blow some people up. i could care less about the 2 teampoints from waiting around a flag alone, for some spec ops guy to blow you up.
i have never been blown up in a tank by a plane or helicopter on smokescreen, although my tank has been destroyed by enemy tanks a couple times.
and the large tank battles get awesome, i had 4 tanks in my squad whaling on 3 t90s in their home base from about 500 feet, beats karkand claymore any day.
and about the AA, try moving, and or staying off quarry if you want to live.
also, DONT lock on to aircraft coming straight at you, thats asking to be blown up. move so that they overshoot, then nail em to pieces.
with bradleys its insanely easy to own aircraft, as long as they dont get you first.
Smoke Screen is fine, the fighters dont do much damage to the tanks. But the fighter-bombers are ridiculous. They can pretty much wipe out anything in sight with one pass.
I would have to say that, as long as there are people performing all of the duties required, that the bombings are not out of control.
1) The fighter pilots need to refrain from using their planes as bombers and go after the other teams planes.
2) The bomber pilots need to have bombadiers (lethal) when they take off.
3) The mobile AA need to be support since they are so weak they normally are one-hit wonders (trust me - top 50 world in AA).
As long as the bombers are tied up with other planes they don't really have too many chances to rape ground vehicles. I was on last night with a relatively inexperienced bombadier and, with no fighter coming after us and me flying with him in mind (nose up, part throttle, looking for targets) I could go without using my bombs until I saw several targets in one region or needed to clear a flag. We got taken down by enemy AA a couple times and by fighters a couple times. I remember even seeing planes parked in the hangar on the other side which, after seeing what people will do to get a plane, was strange.
Lastly, give EF some time. Eventually the percentage of snipers on Great Wall and the like will start to fall as people realize that it's not the way to win. Ummm, wait, I forgot, most people are in it for themselves and not for their team.
Finally, if you are tired of the bombers/planes, the best defense is to perpetually get in AA and shoot them down for satisfaction.
well ak47 warlord, it was difficult comprehending your quasi english, but i seem to get the impression that you know everything about EF without playing it simply from reading other whiner's complaints.....
1. taraba quarry sucks. unless youre the one flying the bomber. everyone gets bombed to hell on that map, and it is just as bad as zatar wetlands and daqing oilfields, the 2 other horrendous vehicle maps.
2. smokescreen rocks. this is what my first smokescreen was, i was squad leader of number 1 squad, got gold medal and 47 points:
number of times some planewhore tries to bomb me: 30
number of times successful:0
number of times helicopter whores try to blow up my tank: 7
number of helicopters blown to hell by me or companion tanks: 7
smokescreen proves to me that a map with tons of tanks, planes and helicopters can totally OWN karkand and the rest of the camping, claymore infested urban maps.
it seems to make no sense, but on taraba the planes always kill you, on smokescreen they always miss.
So when you do well it rocks when you can't it needs to be changed, ahhh normal run of the mill BF2 whine then.
Yes the Bomber can own the map, if you let him, so lets remove the bombers so nothing can kill you. So many complain about air power but the Quarry map you have the solution there in front of you.
I played a few Quarry maps on one of them the other side of the map was strictly no go, well I did go but I knew I wasn't coming back. I HAD to kill their bomber. I have seen Mobile AA continually used as a front line attack unit whilst at the same time that same team whined about how the Map was for the Jets.
It cuts both ways if the ground units time their attack and cross the bridge after their own bomber has hit the other side, bingo, otherwise the Quarry map is stalemate. Make sure the fighter pilot is the best pilot on the server, make sure you have two mobile AA's moving around the rear of your main column, make sure your bomber is always being used.
If your getting owned by Jets it's your own fault especially on the Quarry map. Two well positioned Mobile AA both set away from the main convoy will deal with that.
Don't want to man the Mobile and neither does anyone else on your team, so your going to do two things:-
1) Die a lot
2) Whine on a forum somewhere
Yep. I love how on Quarry that 2 well positioned mobile AA's can turn half the map into a virtual no-fly zone. To those the b*tch and moan about betting killed by the bomber, maybe instead of whine like 12 year olds (sorry to insault those mature 12year olds), go and do something about it, jump in a fighter, jump in the mobile AA and shoot the fukcers down (or at very least start yelling at your useless fighter pilots)
get into the fighter jet and shoot the bomber down!
or you can use mobile aa, as stated before.
My god, Yes!, the bomber can own on quarry, but, if you had any brain, you could shoot down bombers easily.
Was playing Quarry other day MEC side. 2 squadmates are in bomber, I take the fighter. I let the bomber do its job. and do mine - protect the bomber from enemy jets. I had more kills than the bomber did b/c i shot down so many f-15's.
trust me, if u put a little effort into it, taking down a bomber is EASY!
On Smoke Screen and the Quarry maps, has anyone had bad experiences from being bombed left and right by jets?
I'm not whining or trying to get flamed, I was just wondering if anyone else thinks that the jets might be a bit imbalanced for these two wide open maps.
On the Quarry map especially, I've found that I'll be bombed like half of the time if I'm in a vehicle. If I'm on foot, I usually do OK, but when in a tank or even a jeep? I'm a dead man!
I swear it's so frustrating to be driving along, headed towards a flag to do some good for the team, only to have a jet fly over, bomb you, score kills, and fly away without being able to be taken down at all. It's like an eternal killing machine that lasts the entire round!
Anyone agree?
I dont, scine im the one flying the F-15/SU while my clanmate is on the laser guided missels own tanks and jeeps(overkill). But we pilots get shot at to since there is like 4 AA on both sides and the jet fighter on the other team trying to shoot you down.
It's very hard to keep bombing when you've got good pilots to go against. Your problem is not the map but your team.
Very true me and a fellow 6th are always first in 5 to get in game so we get the SU, we pwns 3/4's of the tank going for the base on the top of the map and for some reason they still cap it because others are just to slow or dont know what they're doing
If everyone tries to fly planes and the other team is more balanced, their team will most likely lose.
If everyone tries to get in a tank and the other team is more balanced, their team will most likely lose.
If everyone tries to get in AA and the other team is more balanced, their team will most likely lose.
Same goes for kits, etc.
We also hear from the clan guy who is communicating with his teammates and, lo and behold, they own the other team.
So if you want to win the game it is about balance, tactics and communication (and some skill).
Of course, if you into stats and don't care whether the team wins or loses, this all makes no difference to you.
PS - if you are in a bomber, hit "M" before you take off to check where the front lines are and, if you go there, you will definitely find armor to take out.
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