Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

[Demio]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

Just like in real life.

Many people that were not as skilled as others were completely happy with the way the patch changed the game. You basically do not need any skills to get around anymore.
The explosives have all been noob proofed, the airpower is about worthless, and the action seems to have slowed down a great deal. I mean, you cannot jump and shoot?

As far as booster/expansion packs are concerned, I am not going to buy any, I dont care if they are $1. Too many things making the game run like crap. Optimizations have to be done and fixing of several types of graphical, audio, and physics problems need to be resolved.

Not just like in real life.

Unless if you mean like in real life where the U.S. troops fight ragheads that don't even have proper weapons. If so then yea, choppers own pretty much.

But if faced by a similar strength opposition choppers arent that good unless used from really big ranges (1km++) and making use of their missiles to destroy tanks, not mow down infantry. A chopper gunner rarley uses the machinegun he has, he rather use his missile launcher from safe distances. The machinegun is mostly only used in emergency situations, or sometimes to shoot at infantry from big distances.

Bottom line is, choppers in RL can't take 1 tank shell in the face and still fly, they can't even take 1 rocket to the tail without crashing, so stop making stupid comparisons with RL unless you get your facts straight.

[Alcorr]

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Get out of your helicopter and play with us GI's on the ground then! Since the patch I've been playing in some 16-player servers and it's great. Maybe the new entertainment you're looking for has been there all along

Those are the kind of posts that disgust me. ^^^^^ What a terrible attitude. This is called battlefield 2...you know...with vehicles like choppers!

And yes, the AA is sooo stupid. My 7 year old brother almost got a bronze the other day in a stinger. And all he did was left click the whole time....no aiming...no skill....

Insane physically impossible turns that the AA makes.....its plain stupidity.

The lowered armor and missile count on helos was TOTALLY unneccesary.

It was so easy to shoot them down before with a 50 cal....dice just heard all the noobs cry so we get this bull$hit.

Sniper accuracy change is...ok.

Support change was completely uneccesary. If you had skill you could easily get higher rounds than tank whores on karkand....in 1.12 you sacrificed a bit of accuracy for a powerful weapon, unlimited ammo and huge magazines....

Mine changes were good/bad. No ff I think is stupid, but is only fair to all the snipers/engineers who used to get -20 team scores.

The problem is that explosives can't destroy them now. Thats stupid.

The noob tube change was stupid too. I wasn't a noob tube whore and if you get killed by a noob tube in 1.12 big deal....respawn and go kill the guy....

As far as dolphin diving and bunnyhopping goes....it was annoying and was abuse but it wasn't like they were hard to kill....and now look what happens...theres a delay to stand up now, and I can't jump and shoot....

This is why I hate the patch, in 1.12 I never complained about:

Jets bombing the crap out of me...and I never flew jets and still can't

Choppers owning...they were easy to kill with a 50 cal

Dolphin divers/bunny hoppers.....minor annoyances

Support accuracy....MGs were fine

Noob tubes....annoying at times...but it was no different than dying to an assault rifle

Claymores/mines....sure they were messed up, but at least you could actually move 5 feet in the warlord palace without hitting 5 at a time....

What I did complain about: Bugs....and they still aren't fixed.

[tombcatZ]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

got used to it
so i dont care anymore

[Punisher18]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

I fly so it is a bonus for me. I can now actually shoot down enemy planes with the missiles(instead of taking 10 minutes using the vulcan cannon) and i can now shoot helos to. So now i dont have to just always bomb. I am decent at avoiding the missiles too but sometimes it gets out of hand. Like when you see a missiles hit a plane at a 90 angle. wtf? lol
Overall it is decent
The not shotting when jumping thing is dumb though. Bunnyhopping might be bad but now its worse when you cant jump away and escape and such things.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

I love the patch. Granted I get shot down a couple more times a game, but at least I have the option of flying now. In everygame there is always at least one plane or heli on the ground. Plus I think that jeeps and small arms are no match for a heli with a decent gunner. I think the patch relly balanced things out. I know its not as realistic, but thats way its called a game and we sit on aour arsses to play it. The only real problem I have with the patch is that my AT rockets seem to fly "through" a lot more armor vehicles.

but thats just my 2 cents

[Digital-Boy]

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The helicopter nerf in the v1.2 patch notes came as a surprise to me. They were devastating (and rightly so) in the hands of good pilots, but it's not like they were impossible, or even overly difficult, to take down. Granted, the AA missiles in earlier versions were unreliable and a large reason why aircraft ran rampant on many maps, but improved AA missiles alone would have balanced out aircraft (not that I'm pleased with v1.2 AA missiles, I too think they're too crazy good). The reduced hitpoints and smaller rocket salvo weren't needed. The reduced TV missile range makes a little sense, as raping the carrier from outside visual range is kind of cheap, but that was a relatively small problem, and it only happened when the US lost all their mainland flags (i.e. they deserved it :p).

I fly so it is a bonus for me. I can now actually shoot down enemy planes with the missiles(instead of taking 10 minutes using the vulcan cannon) and i can now shoot helos to.

Granted, dogfighting with the vulcan cannons was a long and frustrating process, but taking out helicopters with the vulcan cannons wasn't hard at all.

[OpieSF]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

1.2 saved BF2 IMO. Its still buggy as hell but at least its playable now and air owns slightly less. If they added first shot accuracy to the assault and medic kits the ground combat would be top-notch.

[tsh2005]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

The gameplay changes I dont really care. It will be changed again. AA will be changed probably guns again. Jets/helis everything like that will have some tweaks


Anyone here re download the demo and play it? My fps is much better and more playable then with 1.12 or 1.2 patch . They really need to fix the fps issues. Seems every patch is making the game run slower

1.2 isnt a patch. Patchs fix more bugs then they make but 1.2 did not. Just made some 5 gameplay changes and tweaked some stuff but didnt fix any bugs just added in 40+

[« R²» HKS]

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I wanna know what people think. I am all for realism and fairness, etc. do I am not looking for a handout but...

I fly the helo. That's basically "what I do" in BF2. Ever since the patch just about any rocket fired into the sky *will* hit me! I am dying easily 3-4x as much and my scores are dropping badly. The armor on the helo has been so reduced that if a little jeep opens up its mounted gun on me I have about 1-2 seconds before I drop from 100% to DEAD! It is just not right. I often spawn, take off and die within seconds 5 or 10 or maybe even 15 times in a row!!! I don't even get a chance to play the game before gun fire, a rocket or (this is another biggee taht is happening now) a friendly jet's missle finds me. I am getting TK'ed like crazy!!!!!

I have been so discouraged, not having a good time at all. I am close to throwing in the towel and installing some new entertainment because BF2 is getting terrible to play for me.

Anyone else feeling like this? I also notice jet pilots are getting shot down like crazy too.

TheDR

I'm the same as you TheDR.

Fyling helis is what I like to do in BF2. I just don't get the same buzz from anything else. However that has now gone and I experience the exact same as you.

Last time I played, server had just crashed for the 5th time that day, another thing that has ****ed me about this patch and the game restarts on Dalian. Both of the beachfront AA's were being manned by the Chinese side, our guys were in both sides and <<R2>> Punisher was raping me in the jet. I couldn't even make it to land without getting hit by AA, either enemy or friendly, had a kdr of 4-16 and in the end I gave up and went on foot. That's just sad.

Ever since 1.03 really, I get about 1/3 of the points I use to. A good game is 50 points, 10 kills and the rest from the co-pilot, "if" they are any good. Its useless to try and cap flags, AA owns me all the time, flares don't work, and if I'm not getting hit by enemey AA its friendly AA. .50 cals own you before their guns overheat, 2 AT rockets and you die, 1 tank shell, 1-2 sec burst from the planes mg, planes now have super AA as well.

The attack helis are nothing but flying coffins.

[TheDR]

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I'm the same as you TheDR.

Fyling helis is what I like to do in BF2. I just don't get the same buzz from anything else. However that has now gone and I experience the exact same as you.

Last time I played, server had just crashed for the 5th time that day, another thing that has ****ed me about this patch and the game restarts on Dalian. Both of the beachfront AA's were being manned by the Chinese side, our guys were in both sides and <<R2>> Punisher was raping me in the jet. I couldn't even make it to land without getting hit by AA, either enemy or friendly, had a kdr of 4-16 and in the end I gave up and went on foot. That's just sad.

Ever since 1.03 really, I get about 1/3 of the points I use to. A good game is 50 points, 10 kills and the rest from the co-pilot, "if" they are any good. Its useless to try and cap flags, AA owns me all the time, flares don't work, and if I'm not getting hit by enemey AA its friendly AA. .50 cals own you before their guns overheat, 2 AT rockets and you die, 1 tank shell, 1-2 sec burst from the planes mg, planes now have super AA as well.

The attack helis are nothing but flying coffins.

You have nailed it! You summed up what I've been saying. I don't want to "own the map in my helo" as some imply. It would just be nice if all forms of machinery had their place in the battle. EA pushes out these cool lookin trailers which focus on these awesome looking dogfights with jets, helos pounding a tank with rockets, etc. A lot of "air toys" in those movies!!! Then, the actual game steps in and they patch the jets and helos into extinction.

It's nice they are dealing with stuff like dolphin diving but not critical. Anyone with half an ounce of BF2 skill can kill a guy if he is hopping. Big deal.

And guys post like this:

1.2 saved BF2 IMO. Its still buggy as hell but at least its playable now and air owns slightly less. If they added first shot accuracy to the assault and medic kits the ground combat would be top-notch.

I wonder what his in game stats are?? It "saved" BF2? He's probably got a global score of 1000 or less. "It's playable now" ??? How can he say that? It wasn't playable before now?? I thought it was and still is but I can't stand that a 7 yr old can left click all day long, take my stats and send them to hell just because he likes the empowerment of hearing/seeing the "boom" when he hits the helo.

I know it's just a game but I also like a mixture of realism and competitiveness. I hate feeling this discouraged about the game. I really wanna keep playing but my motivation is dropping fast. I am currently at #32 on helo leaderboard. It took a lot of effort to get there. It sucks that to keep flying and improve that position sounds more like a chore now.

Flying coffins...I like that, very true.

TheDR

[HullBreach]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

Feels like a whole new game! Once the kinks are worked out and the P-90 ceases sucking it will truly rock!

[Banthur]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

I just cant believe how fast the .50 cal jeeps take out a blackhawk or blowfish and why did EA nerf the blackhawk guns into a state of near unuseability? I would rather have seen the other transit choppers guns buffed and only a slight nerf...

[jakswan]

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I love the patch generally but I think chopper pilots had a raw deal. The only thing I can suggest is get on a team with a fighter pilot that wants to protect you. I try and hit whatever AA position my chopper is headed to, manned or not.

Oddly I find it harder to take chopper pilots down now if their bright enough, I tried to get this team down the other day and they just stuck to their AA positions, hugging the ground and changing position. If you got out on a limb though then it's over in seconds.

What was up with dropping the missles down to eight, I never heard that before the patch, I'm sure I read an interview somewhere that said some high up EA bloke thought it needed to be done.

[Bucknasty]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

they took the screenshot feature out bc it doesnt work on mine anymore, i really hate that

[strikken]

Re: Do You Like Patch 1.2 Or Hate It?

I love the patch, and still love flying the helos. I won't deny that helos got kind of a raw deal, but the problem mostly manifests itself vs. jets, which are *supposed* to take out helos in the first place.

Fact of the matter is, the game is MUCH more teamwork-oriented now. If you can't cope with that, then perhaps you're playing the wrong game. Go play CSS or Day of Defeat or something, you'll probably have much more fun. As for me, I'll keep flying carefully and staying alive longer. True, my point totals may be a little down from 1.12 ... but considering point totals could get RIDICULOUSLY high in 1.12 if you were good, I'm not complaining about a slight hit on that front. It's much more exhilirating to fly now, and that's what's most important to me. You say you don't want to 'own the map' ... but you're complaining about dying, and not owning the map in a helo! Get your points straight. You're #32 on the helo list ... congrats, but you don't get that way by NOT owning the map in a helo and never dying - so claiming you're not complaining about that very fact now is ridiculous.

Points you could take to heart, TheDR:

1.) Points are not everything.
2.) If you're getting shot immediately at takeoff ... DON'T GET IN THE HELO RIGHT AWAY. Jesus, WTF is wrong with you if you're taking off whenever the helo spawns EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW that somebody is manning a stinger that can hit you?! Either ground-pound for a couple minutes until the stinger-guy gets bored or your team clears out that CP, or just hang around the helo pad and *don't take off*! Novel idea, I know, but it truly does work.
3.) Fly in a more teamwork-oriented fashion. That is, stay on the outskirts of battlezones or outside of AA range until armor or other hard targets are spotted for you. Then fly in, own a bit, and fly away. You'll find you can still be effective, even if you do die a little more often.
4.) Re-prioritize targets and fly low. Fly low enough and behind cover that you don't immediately get picked off by AA. Then have your gunner understand that he needs to specifically take out AA sites, jeeps, and tanks in that order. Fly him into position and *keep low* so that you aren't a target of some jeep across the map. By re-prioritizing your target lists, you'll find you can survive much longer and still rack up plenty of kills on your hit-and-run attacks.
5.) MOST IMPORTANT POINT: Quit bitching and adapt to the changes, or stop playing until the next patch comes out (you know, or for good ... that would be good too) and hope it fixes the issues you take affront to.