Assault nerfed.....why?

[MG36CE Fan]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

True.

I think the medic could stand to share a weapon with Anti-Tank though. They are both "Extreme" supporting roles. They should be tailored to act as such.

...or maybe give the medic a shotgun? Thata' way when he's rushing into the fray to save people, his close range abbilities would be up to snuff, and he would have an increased chance of clearing out surrounding hostiles before he begins to revive? Just an idea though...

{WP}Paas

yeah, give him an SMG with a shotgun unlcok or vice versa, I can count on one hand how many times I have been killed by a bot at long range when trying to revive someone, but I can't count high enough to count how many bots have killed me with a knife or pistol at point blank range because the AR couldn't clear them out, shotgun wouldn't be able too


IMO: with your suggestion:
Engineer: Shotguns with SMG Unlocks
Medics: Shotguns with SMG unlocks
Anti-Tank: SMGs with Shotgun unlocks
Assault: high power, small mag ARs with Flash Bangs and Smokes (no Frags)
Support: medium power, large mag, high ROF low accuracy SALMGs
Spec Ops: Low Power Automatic, low zoom scoped, med accuracy AC with mine-like C4 traps
Sniper: Accurate, Long Range, High Powered small mag SRs (give them something like a Glock 18 for a pistol so they have a CR PDW

[GODJOEY]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

Give the medic =) capabilities to poison areas. poison medi packs that the enemy might pick up.

[Paas]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

yeah, give him an SMG with a shotgun unlcok or vice versa, I can count on one hand how many times I have been killed by a bot at long range when trying to revive someone, but I can't count high enough to count how many bots have killed me with a knife or pistol at point blank range because the AR couldn't clear them out.

Ok, they can have whatever Army specific sub. As the shotgun alternative, could give them a sawed off; so their range wouldn't be comparable to that of an engineers?

{WP}Paas

[MG36CE Fan]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

Ok, they can have whatever Army specific sub. As the shotgun alternative, could give them a sawed off; so their range wouldn't be comparable to that of an engineers?

{WP}Paas

yeah, my main purpose as a medic when I play even with bots is to revive my teammates after they're back up and running they can defend me instead of me having to defend myself, sawed off shotgun would allow enough power and range to clear an area long enough for me to revive the guy, then he can worry about anyone else

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

OK, picture this: Base is under heavy attack. What kit do you pick.

Assault or medic?

If your looking to kill the enemy, then assault is the answer.
If your looking to back up your team, then pick medic for healing and reviving.

But in BF2 world, you pick medic and heal, revive AND kill them enemy just as good as the assault. THIS IS WRONG !!!
I can kill as much people with a medic kit, then an assault. This shouldn't be the case. Teamwork or rambos don't come into it. Its just abit of common sense.
Medic Vs Assault in combat, the assault should win, if both players have the same skill level. Otherwise wots the point in different kits? ... Its not about having different guns, its about having different ROLES.

They messed up the GL. Its like a limp ****. You can still be a noob with it, so nothing got fixed really. It just looks lame now. Rubbish.

[imported_RpTheHotrod]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

just fyi, medics can't have their armor decreased because they don't have any.

You put a medic and an assault at equal distance and have them fire at a coundown of zero, you can bet the assault will win.

The assault as body armor to survive, and the medic has none. The medic can't heal because the bandages are generally something used after combat, if they survive. You're dead if you pull out your medpack while you're being shot.

You keep claiming the assault class was nerfed. It wasn't. The GL was. The GL does not equal the assault class. They have the G3 and so on to choose from.



on top of that, the medic unlock is very inaccurate fully automatic. Your best bet is to use single shots. You're not going to win against an assault class unloading into you while you squeeze a bullet every second.

[MG36CE Fan]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

OK, picture this: Base is under heavy attack. What kit do you pick.

Assault or medic?

If your looking to kill the enemy, then assault is the answer.
If your looking to back up your team, then pick medic for healing and reviving.

But in BF2 world, you pick medic and heal, revive AND kill them enemy just as good as the assault. THIS IS WRONG !!!
I can kill as much people with a medic kit, then an assault. This shouldn't be the case. Teamwork or rambos don't come into it. Its just abit of common sense.
Medic Vs Assault in combat, the assault should win, if both players have the same skill level. Otherwise wots the point in different kits? ... Its not about having different guns, its about having different ROLES.

They messed up the GL. Its like a limp ****. You can still be a noob with it, so nothing got fixed really. It just looks lame now. Rubbish.

oh so your saying that at the same skill level if a medic sneaks up behind and assualt and guns him in the head, the assault class will win?


be more specific next time

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

oh so your saying that at the same skill level if a medic sneaks up behind and assualt and guns him in the head, the assault class will win?


be more specific next time

Typical. No one has common sense anymore.
Of course I didn't mean that. If you need it explained then just forget this topic.

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

You put a medic and an engineer at equal distance and have them fire at a coundown of zero, you can bet the assault will win.

I feel to put this quote on my sig LOL

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

The reasoning for this, and all other nerfs, were simply because people suck at the game and don't understand the concept of specialization. Let's face it, the Battlefield community is loaded with immature idiots that if they die, whine instead of change their playstyle. They don't understand that if they're one class, and the other is specialized in killing them, they don't have body armor, etc. that they're probably gonna die unless they practice a lot (which is nearly useless with the luck-of-the-dice effect in the deviation on guns even when prone in most cases, unless you now use the PKM long-range rifle of patch 1.2). Then you have the people who whine about vehicles instead of do something about them, but that's a whole other story (but usually the same people).

This post basically shows what all this whining in this topic comes down to which is lack of skill. TO be honest, most BF2 players suck and think they need to change the weapons if they get killed by something unfairly instead of changing their playing style.

First, try and pick a class you like and get good at it. Stop changing classes because you get killed once by a sniper and think it is bs. Try getting really good at one weapon, and then move onto another after you have felt you have mastered that class. I see most people without a 2:1 k/d ratio with even one weapon and those are always the ones complaining.

And assualt class useless? No way in hell is the assualt class useless. Do you have three weapons with the medic kit? No. You have the medic bag which will do nothing when you are getting shot. The assault has the most powerful ground weapons(putting aside Snipers). They can use teh primary weapon, then, then switch to the grenade launcher if out of ammo, then switch to the pistol, and then use a smoke grenade in order to get away or charge at teh enemy. The only problem with the assualt is that they don't have enough smoke grenades. The grenade launcher was meant for long range too and for anti vehicle purposes and most of you suck as using it because you were noob tubers or just can't aim.

I have seen far more assualt then medics on lately and I have played much more then teh topic starter. Trust me, we need more medics because we have plenty of the other classes. Medics will not survive a head on shoot out with an assualt if the assualt is half decent. And you also have to factor in squads. I think most of you are going lone wold which is why you want more stuff for the classes and why you are getting pwned so much. Unless you are really experienced, don't go lone wolf unless you are a sniper. You are just asking to get owned if the enemy is in a squad. I believe that is also most of the problem here. Lack of teamwork.

G3 is fine and with it's damage, it doesn't need a 20 round magazine. SOme will say it is basically no different then the AK47 in terms of damage, but it really is. You have the different iron sights, hand grenades, better accuracy now, and ability to use it on every map instead of just the Chinese ones. The people that can't use it are simple spraying and praying noobs who do not want to use proper cover and instead want to run around and think they will own it up like this is Quake or something.

If you guys don't want to get good at the game, then you really shouldn't be arguing. This thread is pointless since it will just come down to individual skill again. There are differences in classes so you guys will do your jobs.

And I just love the noobs that go prone at in the open and try to fire against me when I am behind some good cover. Because I have a whole body to shoot at while they only have my head which they will have a hard time hitting when I take cover. Maybe try to run to something you can hide behind instead of standing out in the open and asking to be killed.

O, and topic starter, maybe try playing longer and then start whining instead of comin back from 2 months of not playing and then saying you are getting owned since you haven't even been playing anyway and of course would have trouble adjusting to the game again.

I just couldn't disagree with you more.

[=HPSF=Dr.Doom]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

oh so your saying that at the same skill level if a medic sneaks up behind and assualt and guns him in the head, the assault class will win?

Obviously he dosen't mean that

People can argue that assault has more body armor...FINE I totally agree...they But the AMOUNT more isn't enough to make up for the other "abilities" the other classes get...especially medics.

The bottom line is this....PEOPLE DON'T PLAY ASSAULT BECUASE IT DOSEN'T ADD ENOUGH UTILITY OVER THE OTHER CLASSES TO GIVE A REASON TO PLAY IT.

You can't argue with this! The simple fact that MOST people play medic / spec-ops (and now support) PROVES IT!

People aren't stupid, they can see when a class is at a disadvantage, to argue that MOST people like to play a support role in an FPS game is laughable!

90% of people like to kill and get points and they are going to pick the BEST class to do this and that is spec-ops and medic.

You can argue till you are blue in the face that "assualt is fine"....but that dosen't change the fact that pre 1.2 assault was still out-pointed and out played by medic and spec-ops....and post 1.2 they are almost not played at all.

[=HPSF=Dr.Doom]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

O, and topic starter, maybe try playing longer and then start whining instead of comin back from 2 months of not playing and then saying you are getting owned since you haven't even been playing anyway and of course would have trouble adjusting to the game again.

This has nothing to do with me getting owned, it is about the OBVIOUS imbalance in the OVERALL utilty of certian classes over others and the complete LACK of any kind of class-role playing.

Everyone assumes this is about "me" wanting some sort of uber weapons so I can own people...LOL..I have no problem with my playing....I play assault because I want to kill people, and that is what I am good at.

I just think it is so stupid to have most people running around as medics!...hahaha what kind of war game is this!

People should want to play assault JUST as much as other classes, it shouldn't be the "gimped" class that it is.

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

Wots better a GL or a nad?

The answer to that, will tell you how bad the assault was/is nerfed.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

Obviously he dosen't mean that

People can argue that assault has more body armor...FINE I totally agree...they But the AMOUNT more isn't enough to make up for the other "abilities" the other classes get...especially medics.

The bottom line is this....PEOPLE DON'T PLAY ASSAULT BECUASE IT DOSEN'T ADD ENOUGH UTILITY OVER THE OTHER CLASSES TO GIVE A REASON TO PLAY IT.

You can't argue with this! The simple fact that MOST people play medic / spec-ops (and now support) PROVES IT!

People aren't stupid, they can see when a class is at a disadvantage, to argue that MOST people like to play a support role in an FPS game is laughable!

90% of people like to kill and get points and they are going to pick the BEST class to do this and that is spec-ops and medic.

You can argue till you are blue in the face that "assualt is fine"....but that dosen't change the fact that pre 1.2 assault was still out-pointed and out played by medic and spec-ops....and post 1.2 they are almost not played at all.

LOL, unless you are really good with the spec ops class, you won't last long you know that? With a headshot, they won't even be able to kill an assaultman while every assualt gun can except for the M16 on single shot.
Spec Ops is one of the weakest classes out there. A decent AT class can kill him if they know what they are doing. Spec Ops was not meant to fight, they were meant to blow up commander abilities and to sabatage enemy utilities. They have an accurate gun because they have no armor or other really effective weapon. You need to learn about class balancing.
And I hate to say this, but the majority of people out there don't know what they are doing and the biggest advange they can get still won't help them against skilled players like the noob tube. Out of all the times I saw the noob tube used, the only time they would get a decent k/d ratio with it was on Karkand, Shaqi, or maybe Mastuur, but not on a level like Dragon Valley. They just don't know what weapons are good for the situation and pick the gun which looks the most powerful for every job even though this is not true. People think the F2000 is the best assualt weapon because it looks the part, but this is far from true.

Your whining doesn't make the spec ops class the best or medic class the best and the fact is that most people still pick assualt and even more so then medics or even snipers over medics since they have been adjusted.

And to Colin, who are you playing? Medics are not hard to kill and try medicing while in a fire fight and you are dead. This is BF2 reality.

And teh nade is better in certain situations such as when you are against a wall and the enemy is on the other side and you can't hit them with the GL. Now tell me which one is better? None, they are equal depending on the situation.

[=HPSF=Dr.Doom]

Re: Assault nerfed.....why?

Your whining doesn't make the spec ops class the best or medic class the best and the fact is that most people still pick assualt and even more so then medics or even snipers over medics since they have been adjusted.

a) Not whining, just pointing out "BF2 reality"

b) LOL most people DO NOT play assault, I don't care if you have 100,000 points if you think this they you must never look at anything else on the TAB screen but your own name.

c) 1337 people like yourself who played 1 million hours can always throw out the Lern2play card against any argument, that dosen't change the fact that Dice totally missed the point or having squad based / role playing combat in this case.