Chopper Whoring Officially Dead

[LoKi.]

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I also find it funny that people compalin about vehicles and base raping in this game, I played starwars battlefront for a number of years. Ever tried getting out of your last base when being camped by an AT AT. Just try it.

Everything in this game had an adequate counter to it the day this game was released.

Lucas Arts never changed the game despite the whining noob comunity crying out for balance. If George Lucas thinks overpowered unstopable vehicles are fair than why the hell should EA change the game for the noobs?

[Talus]

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i mean, im on wake, gunning the crap out of the poor chinese army and i dont get a single kill nowadays! i think they just took the splash and reduced the damage of it
(and please dont say "its cos u suck at gunning")

Well...most people who are used to racking up points whore-style in a BH have never really had to AIM the BH mini-guns before (just point and click anywhere near your enemy)...so it never took any skill.

Now, you ACTUALLY HAVE TO AIM! *GASP* So there are tons of 'gunners' out there who really DO suck...but now, they will be FORCED to get better.

Adapt, people.

[Habloc]

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I don't know what people are complaining about, I've been using the BH a lot in 1.2. And as long as you don't fly like a moron towards the flags, then you are going to be ok. Why should tactics only be used for infrantry...

[Talus]

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EXACTLY!

The only people who are really complaining are the people who are handicapped by how EASY it was to own a map with the BH before...they were using it like a crutch. Take the crutch away, and they're limping around complaining instead of realizing that they can ACTUALLY use it...with practice and thoughtfulness.

[=PM=Unity]

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Amusingly I just finished playing my first round playing with the BH in 1.2 and I was very suprised both as a gunner and pilot. I seriously thought for a bit that I just had lost my ability to aim. I couldn't believe that I wasn't killing anything like the guns did before. Eventually I figured out that they had been nerfed along with the BH health and was able to adapt and get some kills.

Overall I'm still very unsure as to my final view of the patch. both sides have some very valid points (and some completely retarded ones). Being a largely infantry based player I am generally supportive of the changes made but I'm beginning to think that the nerfing was taken a little too far. I really saddens me that some of the aspects have become so skilless in the patch, read LMG's and sniper rifles somewhat. There is something to be said for having to invest some time learning the quirks of a weapon before being able to go out and mow everyone down with it. The blackhawk guns were overpowered, yes. But in reality should a person have to be hit squarely with a round to take damage? Not if they are on a hard surface or sitting around things that would spray debris. So why not the happy medium? reduce the damage some but leave some splash there? ok done with my rant.

And no, chopper whoring is not done in the least. any pilot/gunner combo worth their salt knows where the AA emplacements and have them as priority one to take out and monitor. Same goes for planes. Less fought over? maybe. dead? hell no.

- Unity

[MattyB]

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i love playing with my friends, because they know what i want.

we get 3 SF's in the back, a medic and an engineer on the guns, and i'l a support flying

we fly around laying C4 where it's needed, put a UAV in the air and fly up really high, and the SF's just C4 guys as they go for the flags.

works every time :P

[Krring]

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I dont see the balance when I have to learn to use my machine gun the hard way just so you can effortlessly take me down with the AA...

It's really funny to see guys who haven't propably even seen a real gun in their life.

1st of all: AA missiles are dead accurate things. When it comes to machine guns, 50 12.7 mm bullets will do some serious harm to a Blackhawk, believe or not. When you are shooting with machineguns, you actually have to aim. Machineguns are damn effective things, but only if you can hit with them. Bullets can of course shatter to fragments or bounce, but I seriously doubt that guy about 5 m away of landing M134 burst would be in serious danger, until shooter starts aiming seriously.

It's irrational to complain about realism in this game. You had unlimited explosive rounds in your miniguns for gods sake! At the same time opponent choppers were good only for getting yourself killed by plane. Realism is that you have to aim with miniguns also. I'd like better tracers though, as its the only way to aim with this kind of weapon. They should take crosshair off and just make effective tracers for miniguns.

Even after 1.2 patch I have seen deadly plane and chopper pilots. In Dragon valley we tried a bit of an whoring with stolen enemy Blackhawk. I flew and my friends were shooting, no engineers or such. We managed to get quite a few points just for hovering here and there and guys shot as much as they could. It's a matter of shooter and pilot co-operation clearly.

If you look for reality, I recommend "project realsim" or what was it. I found it really interesting, but haven't been able to get to know it better yet. There's loads of things in normal BF2 that aren't realistic. It's not about realism, but having fun and having at least some way evenly balanced forces.

[PHPT]

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How can you possibly complain about the BH guns? Especially on MASHTUUR? Do you realize the BH basically handed USMC the win every time on that map?

It's BALANCED now. It's the exact same TRANSPORT chopper that the aircow is now. Time to start using it as one.

[GotheriK]

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What is comes down to is:
If you seriously cannot handle the new AA, then you are not a good pilot. It's only the Bad to Average pilots who are having the problems with the new patch, the Experienced pilots seem to be doing fine.

It's like you guys are too stubborn to actually use some sort of tactics to defeat the AA. When someone suggests to you "Well why don't you take evasive actions, or take out the AA before it takes out you?", you people either ignore us, or say "Omg, STFU whiner noob, I want my cool Jet, WAHHH!".

Face it: You're angry that there is a weapon capable of taking down your vehicle. You think you should be able to rape ground troops un-opposed. That's how it was pre-1.2, and you're still used to the invincibility that you enjoyed.

Why shouldn't ground troops have a defense? Why is so acceptable to drop 2 500lb bombs on ground troops, but it's blasphemy to be able to shoot down a jet? It certainly dosn't take any skill to fly a jet over to an airfield and drop a bomb on infantry, and it dosn't take any skill to shoot that jet down, I see perfect balance.

Quit whining, think of some new tactics, and take it a little bit slower. If you really get owned that much by AA, then you are a miserable chopper pilot, and only managed to survive because of the overpowered choppers pre-1.2. Why is it so hard to get a gunner, tell him to take out an AA emplacement before it gets to you, and move on?

[LoKi.]

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Have any of you people even done any testing with these guns ?

I can honestly now say "no you havent" and you are all talking out of your behinds.

I personally tested the M134 on a friend shot him in the legs for 4-5 seconds till gun overheated no damage inflicted, Shot him in the chest with a 0.5 - 1 second burst aprox at no more than 10 metres away in a landed chopper with no pilot and target was standing still, he recieved only half damage from a M134 directly in the chest at mininmul range whilst stationary.

I can do better damage with the chinese school bus chopper whilst flying.

You all sit there and say blah blah this blah blah that, yet you are all a bunch of hypocrits with very little time spent playing the game.

A good example being that the hawk is so weak that when a bunch of smurfs landed it on mashtuur at the mec hotel earlier this morning, he was full and intending to take the flag.

Knowing how pants the guns are now I ran up to the chopper and proceeded to shoot his whole crew out of the blackhawk with my AK-101 whilst his right gunner was trying to stop me and i recieved no damage from the gun at all. Trully pathetic that one infantry can get near a hawk yet alone manage to shoot them all out of it ....

The funniest thing is when people in your squad say oh crap the hawk is comming run .. and I just stand there and say over the squad chat watch its just a blackhawk it wont hurt you. I stand still on the flag and the hawk cant even kill me coz you cant aim for zero splash damage when flying .. any kills you do get are just pure luck .

Yet all u noobs reading this will tell me i know nothing about the game and im full of crap etc etc I should do this I should do that. If there is one thing im extensivly knowledgable about in BF2 its choppers and jets. Being the only person i know of to hold both expert chopper and expert aviator badges

[Talus]

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Upset are we?

[Vesp3r]

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Now is fun :> the game is harder,and you must think to survive, not only jump like little stupid bunny and AA are now useful (and sometimes they are funny xD), heli is no longer flying fortress.
I love this patch.

Me and my m8 form clan often fly tougheter in heli on cw , now the game is rylly good, we must run :)

[LoKi.]

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Upset are we?

Not at all flying choppers was not something I did for myself but was what I could use my flying skills for to help my friends. As the pilot doesnt really get any fun.

I love the new AA missles I think its great, i can shoot down any jet with extreme ease now and have alot more time to rape the carrier and armour, so in turn all the whining from the noobs about AA just put more strength into my hands.

Its the other people I feel sorry for that enjoyed flying with me in the hawk or mec chopper, or the people that liked to run 6 man crews that were effective, why should 1 noob in a vodnik be able to defeat 6 ppl working as a team that is not balance that is just putting to much power into noob hands.

Btw i find your response childish and immature, couldnt you think of anything sensible to say ?

[Talus]

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Just trying to find out which side of the fence you are on.

I guess you read too much into that...oh well, people are sooooo edgy because of this patch. You can read pretty much anything in to anything I could have typed. Can't even be lighthearted around you sorts.

[Eternal-Souljah]

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I like the new patch ... I am an off and on chopper whore. So either way, it doesn't matter to me, but now teamwork will be even more important than ever in order for a Blackhawk to pwn the map.

I just played two rounds of Mashtuur and the MEC team took the ENTIRE map in less than 4 minutes! I had never seen that before. Amazing!

So now I guess now the only way to chopper whore in any capacity (especially on Mashtuur, Wake Island, et. al) is for there to be 3 engineers in the back, 2 medics (on the mini-guns), and a support kit (pilot) on board for it to work.

This is pretty good, I think. It was hard enough to get a decent squad together before. Now it will really take teamwork.

Your thoughts?

Look at your heli stats...

Helicopter 35:58:38 668 819 0.82 54
and mine...

Helicopter 21:44:13 619 458 1.35 94
I nearly have as many kills as you, you have more deaths and I have more road kills, im not really a chopper whore, I pilot 80-90 percent of the time and only really switch with my gunner if he wants to pilot, but I usually circle strafe the tops of buildings where the heli spawns so my gunner can kill everyone and destroy there heli. But how did you rack up so much time and not that many kills, you couldn't have been a gunner, and if you were pilot you musn't have taken any tanks out etc. So if your asking me it doesn't look like you chopper whore at all.