kicked for base raping?!!?

[Bob_the_Insane]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

I have a simply outlook on this... If the rules of the server are "No attacking uncappable bases" then I won't. Otherwise it is fair game as long as it makes sense.

Everyround the two teams start in pretty balanced positions. If one team is beaten back to their uncappable spawn and can't break out then they suck, plain and simple. Maybe not individually but as a team they suck and they are getting the kicking they deserve. Now I have seen rounds lost because of attacking any uncapable spawn to excess because no one noticed when the enemy (a few must have escaped ) started taking back flags or cared enough to do anything about it quickly enough to stop it.

So if you find yourself being attacked at your uncapable spawn your task is not to fight them off, it is to escape (especially if you are a squad leader) and get some nice quiet flags back. And once there is a flag or howfully two capped then everone should stop spawning at your uncapable base as it is a pointless waste of tickets to get killed there.

Having said this though my original statement stands. If there are rules writen up on the server then I stick to them, period. Or find somewhere else to play...

[Flares]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

fullofleaduk you didn't do anything wrong, except try to protect yourself. Unfortunately I think the admin expected you as Spec Ops to destroy assets and hide until you're tracked down and killed. Unfortunately if a server has a rule, the admin at the time can interpret and enforce that rule as he wishes, so there's not a lot you can do.
In my case I was on a clan server, during an F35 flying session on Zatar Wetlands I was kicked for "base raping". The MEC where pushed back to their base, so I let rip, was warned once and stopped. They tried taking the farm flag and I destroyed the 2 APCs and a tank trying to cap the flag with two F35 bombs. Kicked. Logged back onto the server, asked why I was kicked, was told it was for base raping, so I explained I'd stopped after the warning and was kicked whilst bombing a legit flag approx' 5-10 minutes after the warning... The clansters declined to comment, I called them a bunch of whining wussies, and was banned.
I guess rules are rules, and often they're designed to protect the weak.
That said, recently on Wake Island as USMC, on several occasions I've successfully kept the J10s (or had one chasing me around, therefore not pillaging the carrier) and attack helo on the ground, and had people moaning I'm a "base raper" or "stat padder" ( I don't give a flying **** about stats btw). Ridiculous. It's usually those who I'm preventing racking up easy kills who are doing the most whining. Demoralising for their them, good for my team and funny as hell.

[Bullit_toof]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

The rules are the rules when it suits the admins.

Was on a server once and the admins were getting angry at people punishing for tk's. They said apologise for tk's and don't punish. So when it came to me getting tk'd by an admin, i did as they said and didn't punish, i do this mostly anyway but thats not the point. However the cheeky sods then didn't produce an apology. I kept demanding one but none came. I called them fascists and left. Didn't hang around long enough to see if i was banned or not.

Back to the subject. Baseraping can be extremely annoying if you've just joined the game. Your team on its arse and none of it your fault. Thats the only time i've complained really. Oh i've complained on other occasions when the opposing team joined the game at least 1 minute a head of everyone else and just took advantage of the opposing teams base and raped the proverbial out of it.

[=50K=Skuz]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Well a lot of you guys obviously don't pay for your own servers then. If the rules are there, obey them. They are there to be read while loading, and often are constantly scrolling in the top left corner of the screen. If you then go on to break them then you deserve to be kicked/banned.

Often rules are open to interpretation. We have a rule saying commanders cant fight and command at the same time, and sometimes misunderstandings happen and a commander will be kicked for defending his artillery or whatever. But unfortunately admins can't review every situation in great detail.

Being a fair admin is a tough job, toiugher than most think.

Oh, and insulting a clan or admins on their on server is a sure fire way to get kicked.

[imported_Ricochet]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

As a jet pilot I got kicked for taking out the AA gun on Operation Cleansweep USMC base. So wassup? He can take shots at me from a protected gun??? The ironic thing was that our one cell commander was really raping the base with arty the whole time around and got away with it.

[ghostman1]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Sounds like you did everything right. Most servers I play on let special ops go into the spawn area to blow things up, and then expect you to leave when you are through. Shooting your way out of there is ok too, and expected. Sometimes you come around a corner or someone just spawns right in front of you, so you shoot them, that is ok too. THAT is a legitimate part of the game. Spawn raping (purposefully waiting for people to respawn so that you can shoot them for stat-padding) is for lameasses that can't play worth a &^%$. I was on a map once where two helos just circled the spawn area killing everybody as soon as they spawn. What a bunch of &^8kless noobs. (and they were on my team) I respawned on the opposite team and got lucky and shot one of their helos down. LOL
I know all of the arguments about "being part of the game" and "war is hell".....all total BS. Just because you can take advantage of the program and use the inherent nature of any computer game to do things that are not envisioned by the programmers (bunny hopping, dolphin diving, etc...), do not make it right to do so. Any mature and intelligent person is going to find spawn raping as defined above is wrong.
IT IS A GAME, so at least let the other players spawn to play,,,,then shoot them if you can. Since there will always be pinheads that spawn rape, maybe EA can make 3-5 second spawn armor into a patch, the way delta force games did many moons ago. That took care of the spawn raping noobs in those games

[colony]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

That said, recently on Wake Island as USMC, on several occasions I've successfully kept the J10s (or had one chasing me around, therefore not pillaging the carrier) and attack helo on the ground, and had people moaning I'm a "base raper" or "stat padder" ( I don't give a flying **** about stats btw). Ridiculous. It's usually those who I'm preventing racking up easy kills who are doing the most whining. Demoralising for their them, good for my team and funny as hell.

It feels great raping their capturable airfield and their J10 whores dont it. :)

[Paas]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Well a lot of you guys obviously don't pay for your own servers then. If the rules are there, obey them. They are there to be read while loading, and often are constantly scrolling in the top left corner of the screen. If you then go on to break them then you deserve to be kicked/banned.

Often rules are open to interpretation. We have a rule saying commanders cant fight and command at the same time, and sometimes misunderstandings happen and a commander will be kicked for defending his artillery or whatever. But unfortunately admins can't review every situation in great detail.

Being a fair admin is a tough job, toiugher than most think.

Oh, and insulting a clan or admins on their on server is a sure fire way to get kicked.

You have a rule that says commanders cannot fight and command?

...you're joking right?

{WP}Paas

[« R²» HKS]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Look if their rules state no base raping, then either abide by their rules or expect to get kicked. Simple as that. If you can't abide by their rules then pick 1 of the other 3000+ servers to play on.

[Paas]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Look if their rules state no base raping, then either abide by their rules or expect to get kicked. Simple as that. If you can't abide by their rules then pick 1 of the other 3000+ servers to play on.

As silly as the rule is. I agree, it is their server. As long as they don't go against the EULA. They have every right to enforce their house rules.

{WP}Paas

[« R²» HKS]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Obviously if someone thinks the rule is silly, then why the hell do they play there is what I like to know? Just so they can come here and complain about it I guess.

[Paas]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Obviously if someone thinks the rule is silly, then why the hell do they play there is what I like to know? Just so they can come here and complain about it I guess.

Hey. They have to responding to the thread don't they? I guess they accomplished somthing in the big scheme of things.

No, but really. I think they come here because they are actually upset at the situation. They feel as if it makes no sense to be kicked for dominating your enemy within' the parameters of the game. I understand their perspective. You worked to get your team in that situation, you shouldn't have to sit idle and "Allow" the other team to mount and offensive. No. The other team should have to work as hard as your team worked to mount an offensive. That's what the bulk of the "Pro Base Camping" side think.

I'm sort of in the middle. If the admins say no and they are reasonable about it; also no violating the EULA. I'm for their house rules.

But, I also think it's just an excuse. As well as the perception that you cannot fill up a server without enforcing "buffers" for the less talented individuals to fight back. When my unit ran our server (It's down, we aren't getting another until POE or P.R., most of my unit is sick of the crap that is BF2:Vanilla) we only kicked for exploits of the game. [Bunny Hopping, Dolphing Diving]. Everything else was fair game because it was capable of being effectively countered with tactics/teamwork, and didn't exploit any "Base" aspects of BF2 (Hopping and Flopping blatant throws off the hit detection). We had a full server at all times. Often we had to kick people to make room for ourselves.

Seems like everyone just got tired of trying to form teams and forge teamwork. So they make up house rules to make this game easier to play with Solo effort. That's just one man's opinion though.

{WP}Paas

[NatureBoy_Wooo]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Base raping sucks. If that's the only way you can get kills, then time to play another game. Anyone that just hangs out and waits to shoot freshly spawned enemy deserves to get immediately kicked, no questions asked.

Yeah, in real war, we would wipe them out, but this ain't real. It's a game and there needs to be some rules to stop annoying tactics.

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Sounds like you need to find a new game to play. If you cannot stop a few people from taking over your main base, then you are not very good.

Their is a game on windows called solitaire where no one can attack you. You will feel completely safe and sheltered.

[NatureBoy_Wooo]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

I love how people try to make up rulez as the game goes along. If someone were trying to invade an enemy’s main base, one would think... Good luck fellow! I will see you when you re-spawn. The problem is not with so called base rapers, it is with incompetent players that cannot defend their own base when there are more than adequate defenses in each main base.

I will tell you what the problem is. Most of the so-called base defenders are there waiting on a jet or something. The last thing on their mind is to defend their base. I promise, this team will lose most of the time.

[NatureBoy_Wooo]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Look if their rules state no base raping, then either abide by their rules or expect to get kicked. Simple as that. If you can't abide by their rules then pick 1 of the other 3000+ servers to play on.

Yeah... let the pusses play on their own server.