kicked for base raping?!!?

[eBoK_Void]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Base raping sucks. If that's the only way you can get kills, then time to play another game. Anyone that just hangs out and waits to shoot freshly spawned enemy deserves to get immediately kicked, no questions asked.

Yeah, in real war, we would wipe them out, but this ain't real. It's a game and there needs to be some rules to stop annoying tactics.

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[eBoK_Void]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

As much as I hate when somebody is raping my base, I don't think it deserves kicking. It's part of the game. TK's, bunny hopping, and intentional air rams should be the only things to kick for. How can you draw a line between going to destroy the commander's assets and killing few people along the way, and baseraping.

At lot of that stuff would be fixed if you could only die 1` time per round like CS or have a limit of a few deaths... although that probably would open up more problems

[=]GAF[=Tetra]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

3 LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER RULES MODIFICATIONS

notice the PRIVATELY RENTED bit this means CLAN SERVERS or non EA SERVERS or if you like people who pay for the server so that YOU can go and play on for FREE so yes they can stop you base raping

[EsP-Grandpa]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

3 LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER RULES MODIFICATIONS

notice the PRIVATELY RENTED bit this means CLAN SERVERS or non EA SERVERS or if you like people who pay for the server so that YOU can go and play on for FREE so yes they can stop you base raping

1 GLOBALLY ENFORCED RANKED SERVER RULES

These are rules that all administrators and players using ranked servers are expected to observe and are set by EA, BF2RS under the EULA/TOS/RSA/ROE.


Do you notice "ALL ADMINITRATORS ... USING RANKED SERVERS.."

Section one clearly states that section one applies to all ranked servers. Let me say that again real slow A-L-L RANKED SERVERS. That is why the title of Section one is "GLOBALLY ENFORCED RANKED SERVER RULES". I'll leave it to you to look up the term globally, but trust me it has pretty much the same meaning as all.


Checking the dictionairy, you will find that all means, well all, the total, everything. That means this sections applies to EVERY RANKED SERVER. Even if they are " LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER". They are still ranked, right?

SO, if they are ranked, Section 1.5 applies. Right? and Section 1.5 again says:

§1.5 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server

So, if you are running a RANKED server, you can NOT restrict vehicles or weapons.

So you CAN NOT disallow baseraping.

[=]GAF[=Tetra]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers.
This would include but not limited to:

• § Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited.

[|^|wulf]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

1 GLOBALLY ENFORCED RANKED SERVER RULES

These are rules that all administrators and players using ranked servers are expected to observe and are set by EA, BF2RS under the EULA/TOS/RSA/ROE.


Do you notice "ALL ADMINITRATORS ... USING RANKED SERVERS.."

Section one clearly states that section one applies to all ranked servers. Let me say that again real slow A-L-L RANKED SERVERS. That is why the title of Section one is "GLOBALLY ENFORCED RANKED SERVER RULES". I'll leave it to you to look up the term globally, but trust me it has pretty much the same meaning as all.


Checking the dictionairy, you will find that all means, well all, the total, everything. That means this sections applies to EVERY RANKED SERVER. Even if they are " LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER". They are still ranked, right?

SO, if they are ranked, Section 1.5 applies. Right? and Section 1.5 again says:

§1.5 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server

So, if you are running a RANKED server, you can NOT restrict vehicles or weapons.

So you CAN NOT disallow baseraping.

I think you're not understanding what "Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server" actually means.

This has nothing to do with "spawn camping." This is saying that ranked server admins cannot restrict what vehicles or weapons players use; as in, an admin on a ranked server cannot make a rule that says that no one is allowed to use a jet or helo, or that everyone must use knives, or that no one can use a grenade launcher.

Nothing in this rule prohibits the disallowment of base raping.

[=]GAF[=Tetra]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

and I think you are not understanding what "privately rented" means you may stop base raping uncapturable bases on servers NOT provided by EA. And like I quoted "These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers"

[EsP-Grandpa]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

I think you're not understanding what "Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server" actually means.

This has nothing to do with "spawn camping." This is saying that ranked server admins cannot restrict what vehicles or weapons players use; as in, an admin on a ranked server cannot make a rule that says that no one is allowed to use a jet or helo, or that everyone must use knives, or that no one can use a grenade launcher.

Nothing in this rule prohibits the disallowment of base raping.

It has nothing to do with "spawn camping". Where does it SAY that? I'm not talking about what you WANT it to say, or what you would like it to say, or what you think the writer meant. I am talking about what it DOES say.

How is limiting the use of artillery and airplanes (Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited) NOT a “restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server”?

Are you saying Artillery and airplanes are NOT weapons? Are you saying that a rule not allowing them to be used is NOT a RESTRICTION?

If it "actually means" something different than what it ACTUALLY SAYS, it needs to be changed so that it says what it actually means.

Where are you getting your information about what it "actually means"?

[EsP-Grandpa]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

and I think you are not understanding what "privately rented" means you may stop base raping uncapturable bases on servers NOT provided by EA. And like I quoted "These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers"

I know what privately rented means. I don't think you understand what RANKED is.

There is a conflict in the rules. One places says NO SERVERS can do this (section 1.5) and another place (Section 3) it gives examples saying you can do this.

It is a problem that needs fixed or the ROE are meaningless.

[=]GAF[=Tetra]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

§1.5 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server (e.g. knives only, aircraft prohibited except for clan members, etc.)

• § Infantry only Servers
• § Kicking Players who use vehicles or aircraft
• § Limiting certain vehicles or aircraft for non clan members

the way I read this rule is that you are not allowed to say no tanks are to be used or you can only use granades on a server or no artillery at all to be used no UAV's top be used or no planes are to be used etc

[GroundZero]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

Well I have just been kicked from a server for the first time for base raping. Thing is I was spec ops. I went into enemy area and blew 2 art pieces. Out of c4 I jumped into a vehicle. With 3 enemy homing in on me I switched to gunenr and killed them. Then I stepped on the gas and went back into my own territory. I just stop by a supply crate when I am kicked for base raping.

Did I really do anything wrong? I am a bit confused as to base raping etiquet. Should I just offer myself up as a slaughtered lamb?

Just looking for some guidance as I do not want to become known as a cheat.

Just unlucky, usually you'd be given a warning first if they thought you were camping, unless it'd been going on the whole game, (not by you, by others on your team), in which case no warning would be given.

what you need to remember is that admin can only go by what they see, they may not have seen you blowing up the commander assets, but only seen you in their base, in one of their vehicles killing people as they spawned.

I've seen servers where entering the other sides base and stealing vehicles alone is enough to get you kicked, (which i can understand as there are so few of them that one side having them all would be a serious disadvantage)

I always warn first, unless I notice the commander assets being destroyed, in which case I don't mind if they're in the base, as I'd do the same thing myself.


EsP-Grandpa the rules you are quoteing are mainly ROE from BF2RS network of server rules, which only apply on their servers, (Comcast, BF2Combat, GateMatrix, NVIDIA, Zboard), and any others which have agreed to abide, and be admined by BF2RS.

While these may make up a large pecentage of servers out there, they are by no means the only servers.

The other servers use the EULA, or private clan rules, (within accordance with the EULA), and not BF2RS rules.

Infact looking at the EULA, which are the only rules which ALL servers have to abide by, spawncamping could be seen to be breaking this as it may 'ruin other players enjoyment of the game' , as getting killed time after time the second you spawn is certainly not enjoyable.

It has nothing to do with "spawn camping". Where does it SAY that? I'm not talking about what you WANT it to say, or what you would like it to say, or what you think the writer meant. I am talking about what it DOES say.

Wulf was answering your last post where you quoted those rules and said you couldn't disallow baseraping because you couldn't restrict vehicles.

Placing restrictions on vehicles means only allowing certain ones to be used, or only allowing them to be used by clan members, as was made perfectly clear in the examples given after that rule, which you failed to post;

§1.5 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server (e.g. knives only, aircraft prohibited except for clan members, etc.)

* § Infantry only Servers
* § Kicking Players who use vehicles or aircraft
* § Limiting certain vehicles or aircraft for non clan members

[|^|wulf]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

It has nothing to do with "spawn camping". Where does it SAY that? I'm not talking about what you WANT it to say, or what you would like it to say, or what you think the writer meant. I am talking about what it DOES say.

How is limiting the use of artillery and airplanes (Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited) NOT a “restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server”?

Are you saying Artillery and airplanes are NOT weapons? Are you saying that a rule not allowing them to be used is NOT a RESTRICTION?

If it "actually means" something different than what it ACTUALLY SAYS, it needs to be changed so that it says what it actually means.

Where are you getting your information about what it "actually means"?

It's painfully obvious that your reading-comprehension skills are pretty craptacular.

[Azriel]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

It's painfully obvious that your reading-comprehension skills are pretty craptacular.

Amen to that. :laugh:

[fore a lot]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

99% clan servers have their own rules(most are stupid). I avoid them at all cost unless EA public are all gone. If this day comes, maybe it's time to move to other game.

[EsP-Grandpa]

Re: kicked for base raping?!!?

EsP-Grandpa the rules you are quoteing are mainly ROE from BF2RS network of server rules, which only apply on their servers, (Comcast, BF2Combat, GateMatrix, NVIDIA, Zboard), and any others which have agreed to abide, and be admined by BF2RS.

While these may make up a large pecentage of servers out there, they are by no means the only servers.

The other servers use the EULA, or private clan rules, (within accordance with the EULA), and not BF2RS rules.

Infact looking at the EULA, which are the only rules which ALL servers have to abide by, spawncamping could be seen to be breaking this as it may 'ruin other players enjoyment of the game' , as getting killed time after time the second you spawn is certainly not enjoyable.

Placing restrictions on vehicles means only allowing certain ones to be used, or only allowing them to be used by clan members, as was made perfectly clear in the examples given after that rule, which you failed to post;

Well, according to Indian Scout at: http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/foru...?t=3503&page=2
" We (BF2RS) are bound contractually with EA, much like your Trusted Provider is.

While we may not have administration rights to your server, we do observe and report directly to EA on player and server violations both public and clan ranked, and our ROE does cover ALL ranked servers. Thats why it's signed off by EA...."

As far as your interpetation of the EULA, Hey Silly server rules that restrict what I can do with an asset "ruin other (MY) players enjoyment of the game. So My interpetation is that silly server rules violate the EULA because they restrict what I can do.

Finally, everyone keeps saying essentially; "what this REALLY means is.......". In you your case, what it REALLY means is that you can not "place(ing) restrictions on vehicles means only allowing certain ones to be used, or only allowing them to be used by clan members". Well, if that is "what it really means" why doen't it REALLY say that? It's not that hard to say what you mean.

I think what it really means is WHAT IT SAYS. And it SAYS "Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server".

This is english. Grab a dictionairy and look up the words. Explain to me how you get from "may not ... enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server" to its OK to restrict vehicles and weapons. The words are just not there. You are trying to add the words "who uses" to this. You WANT it to read ""Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on WHO USES vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server".

Those words ARE SIMPLY NOT THERE. You and everyone else need to stop adding them.