Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

Let me say that the last post was one of the most usual crying Ive ever read on these forums. Your typical crybaby who resorts to generalizing and insulting players he does know jack about. Bravo.

THIS GAME IS ABOUT CONTROL POINTS, NOT KILLS.

Actually, its about killing. Many a map, you win by killing the opposing forces out of its tickets. Nothing drains it faster than a juicy killing spree.

The game is a disaster when it comes to air power... nothing but a bunch
of little kiddies with egos, no regard to their team, no regard to taking
control points.. and then when they rack up the points they think they
got skills... LMFAO.

Thank you, I fly a jet whenever I can, I am 20 years old, I prefer enemy jets, tanks, APCs, control points as my targets in that particular order. I have usually a small minus score for the TKs I take but considering the bombers Ive downed and the tanks Ive killed, its acceptable. I play for my OWN PERSONAL FUN, and you can choose **** all for me what I do with my game. Even though many, many pilots bomb tanks and try to help you out in any way they can, youre still slandering them. Now tell me youre not being an idiot.

The game has its positives, but its negatives ruin any chance of it being
a good game.. I find myself playing less and less each day.. other games
are so much more on level playing field.. Battlefield 2 is becoming a joke.

Considering the rubbish you posted, Id say good bye.

[Rambo]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

m8 with that big text

you being a big idiot

[shiremct]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

It is true that the proportion of air vehicles is a little out of whack, especially the jets. On most maps each team only gets one Attack heli unless they steal the enemies. Even if they take the enemy's 'airfield' (ala sharqi) they dont get another attack heli from it unless they steal the enemy's resting on the pad.

All in all, choppers aren't too bad, and they are not too terribly hard to take down with various different methods. Jets on the other hand are out-of-whack. They retain their significance and power, but their numbers are increased. Usually there are 2 jets per team, which is more than attack heli's (except for the abomination known as dalian plant, the worst BF2 map ever, followed closely by stalemate...)

But I think DICE included 2 per team on most maps to balance gameplay. Now when I say balance gameplay, I do not mean balancing in terms of power, but in terms of play areas. I mean, look at all the people who fly jets and comment on how boring it is to just bomb troops all day. DICE included 2 jets per team to encourage air-to-air combat. A possibility of 2-on-2 or 2-on-1 looks a lot better than being limited to just 1-on-1. The problem lies in that, for most pilots, the monotany of bombing troops all the time is not enough to deter them from racking up the points.

And so, we have the airpower dominance. I think DICE did the right thing in including two per team, but I think they made a mistake in letting them retain so much power, especially against ground forces. Hopefully the AA improvements will be enough to bring a little balance back in favor of the ground forces, but still allow jets to do their thing and fight each other in the sky.


Okay... so now I get to what I really had to say...
For all those people out there that want controlable naval forces, please god do not let DICE give in and listen to them. There are two few players in a server to split them up anymore! There are people out there that like to play this game as an infantryman, and as it is, there often times is not enough ground action going on on the majority of the maps. You can't just keep adding in all these vehicles and objects because they are cool and they have them in real battles, because there isn't enough player support to support them! Just had to say that.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

m8 with that big text

you being a big idiot

Excuse me. Check the first 2 lines of my post, they are in a normal font. The bold font comes after I quoted a bold/big/fat line of the other guys text. I this forum, it makes every character bolded afterwards. Try to THINK, then maybe youll UNDERSTAND, dumbass.

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

i think the smaller the text the smarter you are.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

i think the smaller the text the smarter you are.

In your case it is not the truth because youve posted nothing but spam.

BTW- tried to edit my post several times, it wont give up thats tupid font. This is out of my control.

[EDIT]- done, changed.

[Rambo]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

who didnt get laid

[shiremct]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

...*sigh*... *raises hand*

:)

[SpeedyGonzales]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

Excuse me. Check the first 2 lines of my post, they are in a normal font. The bold font comes after I quoted a bold/big/fat line of the other guys text. I this forum, it makes every character bolded afterwards. Try to THINK, then maybe youll UNDERSTAND, dumbass.

hahaha, o man, nice comeback... you pride yourself on being 'of age'
then insult him with 'dumbass' like a 12 year old..

dude, I could care less about your flying skills... and youre WRONG,
the game is NOT about kills... its about tickets, therefore its primarily
about control points... I know, fool, I have 298 gold stars.. I earned
them all the hard way..fighting into a control point, and taking it over..

Actually, the choppers dont bother me as bad, as the jets.. even though
the armor of the chopper is COMPLETELY out of whack.. (tank shell doesnt
take it down ??? huh ??) I still find it possible to take em down with
my AT rockets quite often..

The jets on the other hand are a joke.. No kit has a AA weapong in it..
We're left with the useless AA emplacements that, as I said before,
are useless against a skilled pilot..

And there are way too many aircraft on the maps... they should eliminate
some of them, or make their respawn times 5 minutes or something..

I play in a league most of the time.. I find public servers a disgrace to
online gaming.. and I have nothing against true to the word 'noobs'..
i.e. new players, or even less skilled players.. as long as they are trying
Im fine with it.. but BF2 public servers are the melting pot of lameness
in online gaming.. Ive been playing online games since my first 110 baud
modem, played nearly them all, never have I seen a player base so
pathetic.. (apologies to the good, decent, hard working, honest players
out there.. I know they are represented..) but, the ratio of goofoffs
to actually trying to win players is sad..

You play in any leagues? I suggest you try it.. you will see the differance
is like between night and day... I have never been TKd for a vehicle,
nor do ANYONE stand around waiting for jets and choppers all game..
Players work as a team.. and the COMMANDER ACTUALLY COMMANDS,
rather than some shmuck who just wants a 2x bonus..

[CTD-Tiwaz]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

zomg ur ar3 teh sucK

Problem is war isnt a math problem, proportions just arn't used. So your facts are still wrong :P

Not to be an arsehole, but actually mathematics plays a great role in war...

http://mmf.ruc.dk/~booss/mathwar/bb_mathwar.htm

[Digital-Boy]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

We got choppers that can take ground? WOW. When has that EVER
been possible? Too often, with small # of players on a server, i.e. 8-12,
all you see is a bunch of chopper capping going on... wheeeee thats fun.

Hence why I play on servers that run 32-player maps with 40+ people. It balances out vehicles and infantry quite nicely.

[ToneDog]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

I was dicking around with google today and came across this:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/ukraine/armdfrce.htm

Now admittedly this is for the ukrainian army and theres bound to be some differences compared to the armies portrayed in BF2 but I still think its close enough to bear some comparison.
Anyway I played around with a calculator and did some sums.

Total ukrainian armed forces: 230000
Divide by around 2 (a guess) to get the number of combat personnel: 115000
Number of tanks 6300
Number of APCs 14000
Number of fighter type jets 700
Number of heklicopters 700

"Soldiers" per tank: 14
"Soldiers" per APC: 9
"Soldiers" per jet: 165
"Soldiers" per helo: 165

Now if we think of a 64 player map, thats 32 soldiers per team, meaning each team would have available to them around:
2.3 tanks
3.6 APCs
0.2 jets
0.2 helicopters

Obviously this is a very crude system, a couple things that will make obvious errors are that IRL it requires more than one person to operate an armoured vehicle. Also I guess the USMC would field more helos proportionally, but surely not enough to make a big difference.

I think this shows that while the tanks/apcs are more or less in proportion, there are vastly more jets and helicopters than there is any right to be.
So to anybody who says jets and helicopters should pwn because they do IRL, I say there shouldn't be any anyway!

if you really think your idea of RL vehical ratio should apply to BF2, how about thinking of other RL properties such as Jets can hit a tank from all the way on the other side of the map with a single missile and changing the turret turning to keyboard control on angles and rotations. Increasing map size to 20x20km square and maybe increase teamkill-for-vehical punish to life long ban from BF2 or watch yourself sit in a simulated military cell for 100 playing hours.

BF2 is only a game, but an online game. If you like the old days of beating AI like babies you should try single player.

[WhardieJones]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

Pilots, we need to be nice to the infantry players. They are our cannon fodder. Who will we have to bomb and shoot if they all run away?

[SQUiB]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

To everyone who has posted in this thread bagging the original poster for making a stupid argument please READ HIS GOD DAMNED POST AGAIN. He presents a good argument AGAINST all those people that argue jets should kick arse in game because they do in real life. He doesn't say that it should actually be realistic he just shows people how stupid an argument it is, to be saying jets should be realistic.

Then a whole bunch of you proceed to flame him about saying BF2 should compare directly to real life when he never said it should.

Think about what you post people.

[vbl]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

i think the smaller the text the smarter you are.

I'm super smart.