Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

[TokenBrit]

I was dicking around with google today and came across this:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/ukraine/armdfrce.htm

Now admittedly this is for the ukrainian army and theres bound to be some differences compared to the armies portrayed in BF2 but I still think its close enough to bear some comparison.
Anyway I played around with a calculator and did some sums.

Total ukrainian armed forces: 230000
Divide by around 2 (a guess) to get the number of combat personnel: 115000
Number of tanks 6300
Number of APCs 14000
Number of fighter type jets 700
Number of heklicopters 700

"Soldiers" per tank: 14
"Soldiers" per APC: 9
"Soldiers" per jet: 165
"Soldiers" per helo: 165

Now if we think of a 64 player map, thats 32 soldiers per team, meaning each team would have available to them around:
2.3 tanks
3.6 APCs
0.2 jets
0.2 helicopters

Obviously this is a very crude system, a couple things that will make obvious errors are that IRL it requires more than one person to operate an armoured vehicle. Also I guess the USMC would field more helos proportionally, but surely not enough to make a big difference.

I think this shows that while the tanks/apcs are more or less in proportion, there are vastly more jets and helicopters than there is any right to be.
So to anybody who says jets and helicopters should pwn because they do IRL, I say there shouldn't be any anyway!

[Jemme101]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

I will post the obvious ... BF2 is a game, not RL.

[HicRic]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

Because BF2 is obviously a realistic military simulation, as you have to go through extensive training for years in-game before piloting a jet/chopper in combat...right?

BF2 != real life

Therefore, your arguement is pointless. QED.

[CS-Evolution]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

I was dicking around with google today and came across this:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/ukraine/armdfrce.htm

Now admittedly this is for the ukrainian army and theres bound to be some differences compared to the armies portrayed in BF2 but I still think its close enough to bear some comparison.
Anyway I played around with a calculator and did some sums.

Total ukrainian armed forces: 230000
Divide by around 2 (a guess) to get the number of combat personnel: 115000
Number of tanks 6300
Number of APCs 14000
Number of fighter type jets 700
Number of heklicopters 700

"Soldiers" per tank: 14
"Soldiers" per APC: 9
"Soldiers" per jet: 165
"Soldiers" per helo: 165

Now if we think of a 64 player map, thats 32 soldiers per team, meaning each team would have available to them around:
2.3 tanks
3.6 APCs
0.2 jets
0.2 helicopters

Obviously this is a very crude system, a couple things that will make obvious errors are that IRL it requires more than one person to operate an armoured vehicle. Also I guess the USMC would field more helos proportionally, but surely not enough to make a big difference.

I think this shows that while the tanks/apcs are more or less in proportion, there are vastly more jets and helicopters than there is any right to be.
So to anybody who says jets and helicopters should pwn because they do IRL, I say there shouldn't be any anyway!

You just broke the golden rule of video game forum etiquitte. Don't compare a game to "IRL". It doesn't work. At all. Lets talk about what could happen in the context of the game itself, not a random "real-life" example.

[TokenBrit]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

The whole point of this thread is that people keep making up BS excuses for the aircraft being hideously overpowered.
The jist of these arguments tends to be:
"Omfg in a war a jet woul;d pwnz u all cos jets can bomb you form high in teh sky and tehy ar meant to pwn all infantry omfg"
A jet in BF2 does demonstrate the dominance that it does in RL and that is the problem.
If you want realistically powerful jets you should have realistic numbers of them: 0.2 per team.
If you want 2 jets per team they need to be nerfed appropriately.

[testingtesting12]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

this was an excellent post imo

[CS-Evolution]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

Using the Ukrainian (wtf) military to make a point about balance in a video game is borderline irrelevant. If they nerfed the airplanes proportionally to the ratio of aircraft to troops in Urkaine (again, wtf), you'd end up with airplanes in game that literally would not be able to kill anything. Its such a dumb idea, that I actually am mad at myself for giving it this much thought.


:P

[ACE4U]

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I would expect more air support where there was air craft carrier when there was none. There is not planes or helicopter in Karkand. Air support is vital to attacking any postion. If there is water on the map, then you can expect for air support for the mission.

Have you done any research as to how many planes and helicopter are deployed to Iraq to the amount of soldiers on the ground?

I agree with others, this post was pointless and just another complaint to find in a game that is not reality.

I would like more helicopters, so I could fly more, without those helicopters w***** taking them.

[zacman13245]

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yeah, you have far to much time on your hands to worry about this. and bf2 is a game, like stated, this isnt RL based on the Ukrainian military sytem

[Chevy-SS]

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Jets suck in BF2. Too much power and no viable way to shoot them down. Absolutely ridiculous and it's the primary reason the city maps are so popular. I most always play maps with NO lousy jets.

Great game, other than the jets crap. Hopefully EA will balance out game and give us way to shoot damn things down. But no biggie, I just say, stay out of jet maps.

Did I mention that jets suck?

[TokenBrit]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

While I guess the fact that I chose the ukrainian army was basically down to finding it on google the fastest, I dont see any real problem with it.
Maybe its not accurate for the USMC but I would have thought the ukrainian army is very much on par with the PLA and the fictional MEC army.

Congrats for everyone who came in this thread to flame, your input was not constructive, and the fact that you bothered to reply nullifies your claim that this is stupid and you dont care about it.

[FordMustang]

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zomg ur ar3 teh sucK

Problem is war isnt a math problem, proportions just arn't used. So your facts are still wrong :P

[SpeedyGonzales]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

I was dicking around with google today and came across this:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/ukraine/armdfrce.htm

Now admittedly this is for the ukrainian army and theres bound to be some differences compared to the armies portrayed in BF2 but I still think its close enough to bear some comparison.
Anyway I played around with a calculator and did some sums.

Total ukrainian armed forces: 230000
Divide by around 2 (a guess) to get the number of combat personnel: 115000
Number of tanks 6300
Number of APCs 14000
Number of fighter type jets 700
Number of heklicopters 700

"Soldiers" per tank: 14
"Soldiers" per APC: 9
"Soldiers" per jet: 165
"Soldiers" per helo: 165

Now if we think of a 64 player map, thats 32 soldiers per team, meaning each team would have available to them around:
2.3 tanks
3.6 APCs
0.2 jets
0.2 helicopters

Obviously this is a very crude system, a couple things that will make obvious errors are that IRL it requires more than one person to operate an armoured vehicle. Also I guess the USMC would field more helos proportionally, but surely not enough to make a big difference.

I think this shows that while the tanks/apcs are more or less in proportion, there are vastly more jets and helicopters than there is any right to be.
So to anybody who says jets and helicopters should pwn because they do IRL, I say there shouldn't be any anyway!

NOTHING makes me laugh more than these jet and chopper kiddies who
end up with 80 points and 2 team points.

If Ive seen it once, Ive seen it 5000 times..

Its sad, really.. we got cry babies whining and moaning about 'bunny'
hopping (its called jumping, retards, whats the matter? cant hit a
moving target..?) but what REALLY sucks in BF2 is the air power..

Sure, its cool, it performs well... the physics are great... good models..
but too many of them in the game, noobs fighting over them, or worse
STANDING AROUND WAITING FOR THEM.

THIS GAME IS ABOUT CONTROL POINTS, NOT KILLS.

DICE/EA HAS NO COMMON SENSE, PERIOD. We got choppers that
can take a direct tank shell hit, and all they do is smoke a little and
fly off... THERES A REAL FLAW IN THE GAME FOR YOU..

We got jets that are nearly impossible to kill with a talented pilot..
all he has to do is keep the speed up and hes out of range before
you even get a lock..

We got choppers that can take ground? WOW. When has that EVER
been possible? Too often, with small # of players on a server, i.e. 8-12,
all you see is a bunch of chopper capping going on... wheeeee thats fun.


The game is a disaster when it comes to air power... nothing but a bunch
of little kiddies with egos, no regard to their team, no regard to taking
control points.. and then when they rack up the points they think they
got skills... LMFAO.

Id like to play Karkand to get away from the silly aspects of airpower,
but that idea is shot to hell , when you consider all you have in karkand
is noob tubers..

The game has its positives, but its negatives ruin any chance of it being
a good game.. I find myself playing less and less each day.. other games
are so much more on level playing field.. Battlefield 2 is becoming a joke.

[Rambo]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

AMEN give that guy a ciggar

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Unproportional number of air vehicles in BF2

2 jets per side = 4