A better idea to fix helicopter

[Fayadi]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

IMO...these choppers are multi purpose too , they are often used in urban combats too. Hey like in Black Hawk Down or We Were Soldiers or look when the US army tries to surround Saddam Hussein's son hideout, they bring in attack chopper too. They serve its function from a distance to take out armor and I think they serve its function for close combat also

[Grafisk]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

1. Increase the damage tank shell or missile does to heli but make the hitpoints stay the same

2. 14 missiles reduction to 8 missiles seriously will greatly reduce heli's firepower. IMO as a compensation,why not increase the damage of those 8 missiles so that it can destroy armor with less missile also. With this , Heli's efficiency to take out armor stays the same and the ability to take out infantry is reduced (with less misssiles)
(Edit: I would gladly accept this idea or drop the patch 1.2 missile reduction idea)

Okay, I thought pretty much the same when I first heard the news. Then I read on and noticed that what you actually want is how it's gonna get.

1. Tankshells will do MORE damage to the heli (speculation: kill it in one shot or just damage it to 2 or 3 bars).
2. At least from what I've read/heard, the TANKS will take more damage/have less hp than it is now (i.e the 8 rockets will do "more" damage).

If they don't change anything in the last second, the game will pretty much be what you are hoping for.

What they should've nerfed, but appearantly didn't, is the Mi-28 cannon. It's like 450 rockets against a helicopter and to infantry. Toooooooo overpowered.

[Robske007a]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

Imagine this scenario: FAV sees heli, heli doesn't see FAV. FAV starts shooting the heli. heli searches FAV. Heli found FAV. Heli starts shooting at FAV. FAV kills chopper. Helipilot starts flaming FAVdriver.

--> conclusion FAV vs Heli = overpowered

[Fayadi]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

http://www.50caliberterror.com
The current ops going on in iraq aren't against a super powered traditional army like China has and i don't think the cells in iraqi and the middle east are supported like the NVA was. During the 60s the helos weren't as advanced but the few 50cal machine guns were nightmares for helo pilots and one could slice through a helo that was flying somewhat high like a hot knife into butter. Now sure the hueys and such were big tin cans compaired to some of todays choppers but overall that site shows what a 50cal can do to metal and if a chopper is hovering or on a landing pad it can be taken out by a skilled marksmen. It's called an anti material rifle for a reason. Overall your post is a load of nonsense with no facts to back it up when taking in realism and as for gameplay it's an ok alt to realism. Overall point is 50cal can own light armor.

And when yall take map design and size into account the lowered distance scale makes sense because realisticaly air can be deployed from 100s of miles/whatever away yet in the game they are ususaly under or around 2000 yards and everything is sped up even though the lethality isn't realisticaly high so it's somewhat understandible that air units do what they do except for some reloading/repair in air issues. I think a couple custom BFV maps that forced landing and had slow reload/repair times took care for 30 second bombing intervals problem nicely though.

Ooh crap I don't need to show evidence (links)of Cobras and Apaches survivability capability in war.. I think you are smart enough to know it

Hey calling other people's post as nonsense might sound rude..What evidence do I need to give when my fact is already well known(regarding chopper survivability)? But I have to admit I am not pretty sure how does cal50 bullet stands against bullet proof material of modern chopper. This post main purpose is to prevent over nerfage of chopper. Keep the post peaceful will ya, don't flame other!

[imported_Sin317]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

me usually -> copter with MG lol.

little tip for sharqi : take humwee drive to the seaborder (get the front close to the wall , so you have protection , kinda)and wait for the mec copter. youll take him down before he can even shoot at you lol.

[Fayadi]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

Imagine this scenario: FAV sees heli, heli doesn't see FAV. FAV starts shooting the heli. heli searches FAV. Heli found FAV. Heli starts shooting at FAV. FAV kills chopper. Helipilot starts flaming FAVdriver.

--> conclusion FAV vs Heli = overpowered

2 FAV will surely take down a chopper. 1 on 1 fight of course chopper has advantage..In a map,chopper is the elite weapon, each team only get 1 or most 2 for 64 player map. WHILE FAV can be found everywhere! It just need teamwork to destroy chopper ..For us to defeat 1 chopper by using 2 FAV is not very unreasonable if the fact you can get FAV easily.

(Edit: Yes 1 FAV will take down a chopper if the pilot doesn't move and confront the FAV fast enough)

[Fayadi]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

Eight rockets will still be enough to take out a tank, so there's no reason to bitch...

And there's no point in leaving the armor the same but increasing damage from missiles and tank rounds. It has the exact same effect as what they're doing.

Ooh AT LEAST Chopper has more survivability against Jeeps. Jeeps take out chopper faster than AA. We don't want to alter this balance

[glaucoma]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

I have no problem with the reduced missiles. Not like I use them outside of emergency situations, ever, and those 4 more missiles usually don't make or break it in those cases.
The reduced health, well, you have to be more careful, but it's not so bad.
The reduced TV missile range is the reason for me to ditch choppers for good.

[imported_Sin317]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

I have no problem with the reduced missiles. Not like I use them outside of emergency situations, ever, and those 4 more missiles usually don't make or break it in those cases.
The reduced health, well, you have to be more careful, but it's not so bad.
The reduced TV missile range is the reason for me to ditch choppers for good.

back when i was in school , difference of 14 and 8 was 6 , not 4 ... did someone change the laws of math ?

[triumph]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

Ooh crap I don't need to show evidence (links)of Cobras and Apaches survivability capability in war.. I think you are smart enough to know it

Hey calling other people's post as nonsense might sound rude..What evidence do I need to give when my fact is already well known(regarding chopper survivability)? But I have to admit I am not pretty sure how does cal50 bullet stands against bullet proof material of modern chopper. This post main purpose is to prevent over nerfage of chopper. Keep the post peaceful will ya, don't flame other!

Your post made no sense about the ability of the 50cal to take out light armor. I'm basicaly backing up what was already stated and you are throwing in things that have nothing to do with anything. It is nonsense. Just because a helo doesn't get shot down doesn't mean it can't be shot down and with a google search or the link i provided it should become clear that realisticaly a person could disable a helo with a 50cal weapon. And by nonsense i didn't mean to insult you so don't take it that way. It's simply incorrect to think that a 50cal can not disable a helo when their is information that states that it cleary in some situations can.
My post was simply ment to inform you and maybe even promt you to look up what the 50cal can do. Overall the post doesn't make sense if you are trying talk about what a 50cal round can or can not do.

If you are a chopper pilot in the military I might believe what you say, but if you judge the reality by movie...It doesn't sound very convincing.

His example is perfect aim with a 50cal weapon hitting a chopper similar to a UH1

Do you know how many Cobras or Apaches are sent into Iraq and very few of them are shot down.

Which operation? I really don't know of a well equiped army that has been in Iraq that has taken on the US and since we have no data on what can take down the apache or just the modern us choppers in general the number of choppers shot down makes no point at all in a discussion about 50cals taking down choppers. And if the point you are trying to make is that a illequiped force can shoot down choppers than good for you but it adds nothing and makes no sense why you mentioned it. It adds no clairity to anything.

Look in a war, the enemies would practically would have tons of machine guns and chopper doesnt fly as high as jets..Doesn't these prove of their survivability capability?

Some forces are more well equiped than others. Also 50cal machine guns are known to be very inaccurate. I know for a fact that during the US's time in and around Nam that Helos could fly out of the range of 50cals placed on low ground (low as in not on top of a high mountian range) but massive damage could be done if a 50cal did hit in the correct area sometimes even forcing choppers to have to land and be destroyed by an HE grenade so the NVA couldn't recover much from the helo. As for the choppers you have talked about, no facts have been put on the table about the weak points of those choppers against the 50cal round.

If chopper is as vulnurable as human body , 1 or 2 bullets would shoot it down......If it is shot in the rotor blade it might sound possible..but other part?no..i don't think so

I think he is refering to the large smoothish hole the round makes as shown in some of the videos in the link i gave you.

[Robske007a]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

I love the copper as it is

[glaucoma]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

back when i was in school , difference of 14 and 8 was 6 , not 4 ... did someone change the laws of math ?

Your wit and sassiness on the internet stand uncontested.

The difference between 12 and 8 however is 4.
Somehow I always remember the missile count as 12, although it's obviously wrong.

[gurkha_warrior]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

Helicopter are fine like they are.

I agree with the reduction of their TV missiles since eight is a more realistic number.

Also, improving the AA missles should be enough to force helicopter pilots to fight from longer distances (just like in real life). They will have to rely on real flying skill and use their TV guided missles more effectively. No more base raping and an added sense of reality!!!! They would also have to coordinate the destruction of air defenses before hitting a position just like in real life.

We did not invent STEALTH jets for nothing. AA missiles are really deadly and that fact should be reflected in the game.

Read my other posts ther other threads about the reality of AA missiles!

[gurkha_warrior]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

Hellfire missiles are clustered in groups of four!

A typical load for a Huey Cobra is:

-Two pods with FOUR Hellfire missiles each.
-Two circular launchers with NINETEEN regular rockets each.

The Cobra in the game should have this realistic load.

[Roger Smith]

Re: A better idea to fix helicopter

disabling tail roters ftw!