handheld stingers please ...

[[T.R.C]StupidMonk]

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The soldier where you playing whit is a anti-tank guy. K, the're arent any anti-airplane guy's. Whit a little practice you can schoot a chopper out off the sky.
We are gaming in a another time now. In the firsth Battlefield there was a choice what missle we gonna use. The stinger sites that we now are using are for more effective then the old flackcanons out of 1940. So we dont need the choice between missles.
On CNN you see Taliban whit carry stingers, the US forces you dont see them carry those things any more because they got jet's who got mach counters build in site. Stingers are Old fashioned that's because the US air force rules the sky's.
That's you're job soldier, fly a epic air-battle :P

[Revoluti0n]

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they should make an anti air class

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49117

No they shouldn't that would make the game totally unbalanced. If you had like 6 guys in a squad all AA, the sit at the enemy airport and spawn camp all day long? How would this fix or improve anything? The jet whores would then start crying and whining about that being unfair. It turns into a never ending circle. There are battles on ground and battles in the air.
The fact is that it has been stated the AA will be improved with the 1.2 patch. This is from the mouths of the EA guys in the UK.
I feel your pain, but the truth remains even the guys that played DC and BF1942 found the jet controls very strange and they had to get used to them all over again. With the release of BF2 we all began on an even playing field. No one knew WTF was going on with the game and the learning curve was very low. I also use infantry quite a bit, I am not the most "l227 ub3r" jet pilot, but you can knock out a jet with the current AA I've done it a lot and continue to do so. The fighting chance you so dfesire should be adapting and overcoming the "disadvantage" you claim exists. Find me on a server and I'll teach you what I have learned if you are interested (not meant as a flame).

[amish marauder]

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I don't think vehicles are over powered at all. its just too easy to take out most armored vehicles and tanks will be taken out in a few hits or with c-4 quite easily. I play mainly as a foot soldier and I'm telling you its too easy to take out armor if you are using the right class.

as for plaines and choppers, well choppers are easy to take out with the AT class. 2-3 hits and the chopper is done. now jets are another matter all together.

[WarGimp]

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-You should be able to kill a tank with one shot from a pistol.
-Jeeps only be able to turn left.
-APCs should be hyper maganatized to pull grenades and mines towards them from a 120 radius. Only one grenade needed to blow it up.
-Every kit should include an ultra smart anti-air missile launcher that sefly guids to the nearest air plane (no need to lock, or even have visials).
-Choppers should fall out of the sky when you shout "Whore!!!" in their general direction.

OR
Let vehicles remain a challanging aspect of the game that you have to deal with tactically.

I'm fruggin sick of people complaing about overpowered vehicels when very few people seem to bother to try to take 'em out. Just for giggles, I spent an entire round the other night manning the Anti-air emplacements.
Know what?
I killed planes. I killed choppers. I even killed a tank when it rolled up by leaping into a TOW.

Granted the anti-air missiles are still unacceptably borked right now (I did nail a couple friendlies and saw some of my shots do very odd things), but they've promised us a fix in the next patch.

Let's wait 'n see how it turns out, shall we?

[Floplag]

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whether it improves it or not is going to be a matter of opinion ... to me, it would...to pilots they would say no.

ihink balance is a good thing and you may not want 6 guys with AA blasting you .. but we dont particularly enjoy one guy pounding the hades out of a spawn point and taking on 10 guys either

its a double edged sword, and a matter of taste

again i say strike a balance .. give them that chance to take out the plane, make the other teams soldiers defends that and prevent it

seems to me we get the best of all worlds and some better strategies and team play, rather than one pilot dominating a map..simply because he can

[imported_RingMasTeR]

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im not suggesting your neuter the aitcraft, just give the ground troops a chance .. why is that such a bad thing ?

if this game were all about aircraft, why put in the soldiers ? just to give you something to shoot at ?

make the game balanced for both. sure, aircraft will always have an advantage ... but why is it such a bad thing to give the guys on the ground some ammo against you ?

Where is the logic in giving a foot soilder a fair and even chance of killing a 2 man chopper crew. If these 2 soldiers were on foot you would already be facing 2 to 1 odds anyway, and if it where say a blackhawk crew?, now your at 4 or 6 to 1 odds. Teamwork is and should be required to bring down heavy armor and air vehicles, especially multi-seaters, that require the same teamwork to operate effectively.

You say you have no ammo to use agaist air, but you do, but imo it wasn't meant to be a 1 person job. Alot of the bigger maps having 75% coverage with stingers not including mobile aa, make a team and work together to keep your skys cleared. 50cals for the helos, spread them out and triangulate on them. Or learn to pilot a jet and clear the skies yourself, engaging the enemy pilot if nothing else will keep them off your team's backs.

again, all id like is some balance and i know im not alone in this one

No, you are not the only one still beating this dead horse... quit trying to rambo vs armor and air while expecting to win and you'll be better off

[Floplag]

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why are the pilots always so fast to accuse the rest of us as "crying" ... and thank you for giving me ammo against your own argument. you mention 75% coverage .. so you know precisely where to go or not to go... so effectively i now have NO weapon to use against you ?

again, noone asked for all power and the automatic ability to take down a helo or jet... but the fact remains, in the real world we see stingers and other thangs that can in fact take them out a certain percentage of the time. why is this so opposed to you pilots ?

so maybe you go 25-6 instead of 25-3 on a map ... big whoop. it would certainly make the game more fun for all concerned, not just the pilots

is a balanced somewhat fair playing field such a bad thing ? clearly to some, it is

[imported_RingMasTeR]

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why are the pilots always so fast to accuse the rest of us as "crying" ... and thank you for giving me ammo against your own argument. you mention 75% coverage .. so you know precisely where to go or not to go... so effectively i now have NO weapon to use against you ?

again, noone asked for all power and the automatic ability to take down a helo or jet... but the fact remains, in the real world we see stingers and other thangs that can in fact take them out a certain percentage of the time. why is this so opposed to you pilots ?

so maybe you go 25-6 instead of 25-3 on a map ... big whoop. it would certainly make the game more fun for all concerned, not just the pilots

is a balanced somewhat fair playing field such a bad thing ? clearly to some, it is

Where did I say crying?

If you've researched to know I'm a pilot then you've researched some of the threads where I've mentioned on ways to improve AA. Right? :p
It's just my opinion but I'd like to see a few things happen that would improve life on the ground for you. Taking away bombs from the fighters for one thing, if fixing the seeking on AA missiles proves fruitless then adding stationary/mobile Vulcan guns or perhaps dumb fired/guided SAMS sites like the ones in DC. I have no problem at all with balancing the game in regards to AA at all so don't assume otherwise.

And of course I know where the stinger sites are on maps, that's common sense. I would have known them regardless of being a pilot or not though, that is of no consequence.

The point of your threads regarding AA are really moot point right now, as alot of this is being addressed in the upcoming patch. Why not wait a couple of weeks after it goes live and come back with ideas, eh? No one's discouraging you from doing so.

[Floplag]

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sorry to imply that you said "crying".. you did not and your comment are constructive... others have not been and my comment was directed at them, my apologies for the misunderstanding.

yes, much is addressed in the patch, but id still like to see an anti-aircraft class so that element of you knowing where to avoid gets a little trickier for you

[WarGimp]

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Oi, some of us non-air-whores would like to see aircraft remain a challange too. Check my stats. I fly choppers when I can, but I don't whore 'em. I find myself hunting 'em more often than flyin 'em.

It just seems to me that people just don't want to be challanged in this game. They wanted everything to be beatable by some dude on foot.

[Automatic_Python]

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If they made anti air defences currently more effective, its just fine. No hand helds...get some pilots on your team even if they suck they can distract the guy bombing you, its just as effective

[imported_bigpappa]

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i would love to see stingers kits placed randomly around the map...

[Boojie]

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this isnt a flight sim, you pilots need to get over yourselves

Best quote on the thread. :p

Too funny.

[Neuway]

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If stingers are going to be included in this mod then they need to be a pick up kit or something.

[Bkelso8]

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Instead of giving them stinger.....why dont they just make the ones they got more accurate, or hit when they are supposed to. Becuase with the amount of people that play anti tank, which from my experiance is a lot, on certain maps i would say most of them would get stingers and you wouldnt be able to survive for more then 10 seocnds in a chopper cause youd have 9 people firing at you and chances are 2 of those are gonna hit.

Velocity03 - Just thought I'd commend you on a nice, balanced response to a flame. It was nice to read this rather than the typical 'Screw you, so-and-so. You don't know jack, yada, yada'.

Much appreciated.