FACT: no more jump N nothing

[Brutus]

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Removing the fire ability while jumping is the most assbackwards we don't really give a ****, and the whiners that cry about unrealism have finally made it really unrealistic. IRL you can throw a grenade a LOT further than you can in BF2 standing still, I know this because I have thrown many, IRL you could indeed pitch C4 as it is in the game, and I have seen a similar instance of it's use IRL (busting a bunker in Fallujah). I have seen soldiers advancing a posistion IRL jumping over small objects and firing supression rounds. Thanks to the tards that cry because they got owned and now it really is going to be unrealistic.

If an AT is in the street behind a barricade fighting a tank and an APC, but just out of reach of the medics bag, it would suck to have the choice be let him die and teh tankl move on killing more of your team, or dying yourself trying to heal/revive him.

What a bunch of crap. You DO NOT jump and while in the air fire a weapon. I won't even go into the physics of it knocking you on your ass. I'm sure they jump over the object and then fire AFTER they land.

You don't throw C4, while in the air either. Do you throw C4? I highly doubt you throw the type of package the C4 is in in the game. Want to know why? You may lose the leads that are connected to the explosive. There are packages that you pull the plunger on the package and then throw, but it is on a timer, not a detonator.

[skitzo]

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I am tired of this thread. You guys just whine because you lost the one advantage that makes you a god. So what. Tough. Listen, lots of people can't even play because of you people so they leave. Then you whine that you won't play anymore. You know what...I don't care what happens. I will change my tactics if the current tactic doesn't fit. If my grenade can't reach a guy on the roof then I will go up there myself or call a guy in a chopper to take him out. Sure maybe harder and not as fast but it gets the job done. You complain that you can't throw a grenade longer distances, well you don't need a grenade to kill someone that far.

The game is still playable and finally some other people can have fun. This equalizes gameplay for all so all can have fun instead of godlike guy that knows how to bunny-hop vs. an average joe. I mean seriously people, there has been so much hate about bunny-hopping and then you guys whine that it won't be there. Some people are contradicting yourselves it's stupid. Bunny-hopping created a whole new type of racism and they're taking away that need for racism so people will play instead of whine. This is good because people will stop the talk and play the game now. More fun.

[imported_Iridium]

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This is a game, not reality.

For all you idiots crying about jumping and shooting, throwing grenades too far, etc; how come you're not bitching about being able to use parachutes to jump from buildings or 30 ft ledges, or use a parachute at all and just hit the ground running without having to detach the thing from your back?

How come you're not complaining about how unrealistic it is that now all of a sudden you can run a mile without having to stop and vomit, or that you have some kind of "unnatural" strength that allows you to actually carry a PKM? For one, I'm ****ed that the game makes me Chinese sometimes. WTF is up with that? I'm ****ing white, and this stupid game with it's lack of attention to detail turns me into a ****ing chink. So unrealistic. Hell, I can't even speak Arabic in real life, and yet somehow I can play BF2 and my guy won't STFU about it.

Seriously, it's a game.

I hate it when people assume an advocate for more reality is also naively in favor of complete reality, or that reality is an all or nothing proposition. There are shades of gray here. This game has high end graphics, detailed weapon and vehicle models, and immersive sound, all in order to create a, yes, realistic experience, that is, one that resembles reality, while still being fun to play. That players might take a few more shots than is reasonable to take down, or that aircraft aren't perfectly simulated doesn't really break the illusion too drastically. Realism is very often sacrificed for gameplay in BF2. However, in the case of bunny hopping, i and many other players feel that the great sacrifice in realism and immersiveness doesn't make for any gains in gameplay. In fact, its detrimental, turning firefights into one-dimensional twitch confrontations.

By and large, the anti-bunnyhopping crowd has given good reasons for its removal: detrimental to gameplay, ruins the experience, and yes, is vastly unrealistic, in the sense that flying sharks with laser beams shooting out of their eyes would be unrealistic, not in the sense that the arcade jet-flight is unrealistic, or the damage system is unrealistic, etc etc. I have yet to see anyone pro-bunnyhopping give reasons for keeping it. All that particular crowd seems to do is belittle the opposition with statements implying that they don't know what they are talking about, and should join the army if they think they want realism. If the pro-bunny hoppers would simply come out and say they enjoy bunny hopping, im fine with that. But don't sidetrack things by getting caught up with this whole "reality" thing.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

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^^^^100% agreed. I am not noob to this games and have probably played it a lot more than most of the people here and I have no problem killing the bunny hopping noobs/noob tubers, but they will get me once in a while. This fix should especially be helpful to those beginners who are just going to turn into those hopping noobs after they find out it is a cheap way to help them. I am not trying to brag or anything, but even after I own the noobs who use these tactics, it still disgusts me. I go looking for a firefight and ones where good cover is used while reloading etc. I hardly find that and instead just find noobs who have to bunny hop in order to avoid fire instead or using cover. Now, this is a game with realistic guns, vehicles, and skins which is 100% true even if they don't function like their real life conterparts(the other poster said the game had nothing realistic in it, lol) Now, if this is a game with humans and real guns in war, you should have to take cover. If I wanted to jump to avoid being shot, I would play UT2004 etc.

You keep saying that reducing the stamina will work, but even the devs said that was how it was suppose to be now, but the system is just messed up which stops that kind of fix from happening.

I am for the arming time on the grenade launchers though. I think that would of been the best fix for the GL. They did say somethin about being able to throw grenades futher though, so don't worry that much. Just adapt if they fix it!

I find it somewhat appauling that some of you who claim you are in the military are bitching about the changes. If you were in a war, you would have to adapt to the situation and not bitch about it! And don't say we should do that because there is really nothing you can do to stop the patch now. I can really say that when I get back to BF2 after the patch, I am really going to enjoy owning you guys because I am one of the dwindling few who actually doesn't need to hop or go prone to counter someone else doing it to me in order to kill them.

And to those C4 defenders who like it the way it is, watch this!

http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=XFire&file=files&op=file&q=1122

If you even take the time to d/l it and watch it, then you will know why C4 is hated so much. These guys disgrace everything that is BF and xfire even said they were the best clan for BF2 now, lol. What a joke this game has become.

If any of you have an ounce of skill in your body, you will adapt and get better at it instead of bitching at neccasary fixes. And don't even blame the weapons for being inaccurate at all because if I can rack up 18000+ kills with the assualt rifle, then you can too!

O, P.S. If we should go play AA, maybe you guys should go play Unreal Tournament or Quake!

[akburst510]

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I love jumping and doing matrix moves in front of a tank

[Auto-ER-]

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What a bunch of crap. You DO NOT jump and while in the air fire a weapon. I won't even go into the physics of it knocking you on your ass. I'm sure they jump over the object and then fire AFTER they land.

You don't throw C4, while in the air either. Do you throw C4? I highly doubt you throw the type of package the C4 is in in the game. Want to know why? You may lose the leads that are connected to the explosive. There are packages that you pull the plunger on the package and then throw, but it is on a timer, not a detonator.

Trust me buddy, I have all the real world combat experiance a person needs.

The C4 we use is in blocks (1.25lbs), you cut a small section for the detonator to lay in, than replace the removed piece and tape, usually some det cord (no "leads") connected to a short time fuse into it, connect that to the "plunger" or as we call them M81. This set up could IRL, be used for many situations there is no detonator to switch to, but then again, we are talking about a GAME. The play in this GAME is nothing like you'd find in a real life combat situation...nothing. It's just always so funny to read people saying BS like, "well you could/wouldn't be able to do that IRL, so it should be nerfed". And the truth is most of the time they are right, no one in their right mind would fire a grenade launcher at their feet and jump, or go running around bouncing all over the place going prone in the middle of the air over and over firing a weapon, but you could fire a weapon while jumping, and you could jump and loft a block of C4 over a fence. My whole point is they are going about fixing these issues the wrong way. Getting rid of jumping and firing/throwing is not going to make the game better or "more real". They need to do what Wargimp, myself and others have been saying all along, lose stamina when you jump, and when you have no stamina, YOU CAN NOT JUMP anymore. Problem solved, there will be no way to bunnyhop, even defensively, which people are still going to be doing, no dolphin divers coming at you with a knife that you can't seem kill with a 30 rnds from a machine gun, and yet you'd still be able to do things that, no matter what ANYONE says, will effect the game play mechanics for everone.

On that note, I enjoy the game very much, as it is. I can blow bunnyhoppers to pieces, work strategically with my clan, or go on a C4 roasting binge. People talk about a level playing field so much that maybe we should just do twenty paces with a couple one shot pistols and then the game is over, or better yet, we can throw cup cakes at each other that way no one dies. ON the subject of clans abusing C4/grenades/launchers etc...clans playing tournaments play to win, simple as that, if one is using these "exploits" than it's either adapt or lose, and no one I know plays a game with the "lets go lose today" attitude. And there's thousands and thousands of people playing the game, there's NO way to cater to everyones style of playing. The solution is play the game, if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to continue, and there are alternatives.

There are many issues with the game and it's code that should be fixed long before the petty BS. It would be so much better fi they concentrated on fixing nametag bug, lag, REAL exploits, and cheating before dicking around with not being able to throw and jump.

[^nUbl4z0r(!)]

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the only people this hurts is dolphin divers and Bunny Hoppers therefore more squad play therefore...

BF 2 - Bunny Hopping - Dolphin Divers - C4 jumpers + More Squad play = Great!

[Auto-ER-]

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the only people this hurts is dolphin divers and Bunny Hoppers therefore more squad play therefore...

BF 2 - Bunny Hopping - Dolphin Divers - C4 jumpers + More Squad play = Great!

If they don't fix jumping with no stamina it will not effect them at all, instead they just fire a burst when they hit, and immediately jump>prone over and over.

[medicdustin]

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Man, good thing i have my vet c4 because its going to be very hard to get it after the patch, hopefully I can snag the expert soon!

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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Man, good thing i have my vet c4 because its going to be very hard to get it after the patch, hopefully I can snag the expert soon!

Same here.

And that was on a sever with FF off !!!! Yes, I do feel a bit of a cheat. But I also feel a bit of a cheat if Im in a tank for half a round.

[dirtylarryuk]

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am i the only guy worried about the fact we wont be able to throw grenades further?

Can I say i have some faith in DICE/EA, if it really ruins the game it may be put back in, the guys play the game and if we really all hate it they will change it again.

Throwing nads and ammo and med packs has gained me points, I have rarely BUNNIED with a noob tube, and to be honest the noob tube is just as dangerous used as intended. And I never really threw C4. I ran upto tanks and then ran away and blew it. So I'm not going to whine. But I have been powned by C4 junkies running round team killing and tossing C4 like confetti. And its not realistic. Imagine if snipers could throw Claymores 20 ft and they instantly exploded?????

I think specs ops should be given a one kill knife move or even knife throw ability and be able to place C4 and then detonate it. They have great guns and nads as well.

[Cluster]

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The realisim v game debate is growing old.

This game has been created to encourage teamwork and tactics. There are plenty of other FPS out there for people who want to score heaps of points by jumping around like a bloody idiot.

BF2 trys to balance reality with gameplay - certain 'realities' have to be adjusted to make the game playable. Some aspects tho have been exploited by players with no actual skill. Maybe if these people can adapt their gameplay after this patch and apply some strategy and teamwork BF2 will be a more enjoyable experience for all of us.

Well done EA/DICE and well done to all the players out there that enjoy the game for what it is - a strategic teamplay FPS.

[MAXXKILL]

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realistic eh?

my oppinion is nice ideas DICE But
keep jumping and throwing:

*handgrenades
*ammo
*health

stamina i agree with also. OR make it so after a jump you can't shoot for like at least 1 sec after landing..
over and out.

[Donkey]

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Still, you can throw C4 as much as you want in real life. I think the only reason its not performed is because C4 isnt used on a wide scale, and when it is, its used covertly.

If i was a soldier, and i had a C4 pack, and 5+ people were on the other side of a fence coming at me with automatic weapons. I would not hesitate to toss it over the fence, run like hell, and end them permanently.

You must be like 14....SInce you apprently have NO phuqing clue how C4 works..it isnt like a Die Hard movie...

[Jones[31stMEU]]

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Ive just read the transcript on Xfire with two leading dudes from BF2 dev. http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?..._sf_transcript

So they have stated that (in the new patch) you can't jump and shoot nor can you throw c4 or nads while jumping. I guess this is also appilcation to ammo, health and tatical support.

I feel like pounding my fist in the sand (think of a film people )

Its gonna be a dark day for BF2 when it comes out.

Your a Noob that can't shoot for $hit is all. IT will be a glorious day for those of us with skill and it will be the end of noobs like you who only got lucky with EA/Dice's F-up^ in the first.........Cheers 8)