Looks like EA and DICE are scared

[vbl]

Re: Looks like EA and DICE are scared

Ah well this reminds me once of a design seminar I took presented by Mike Lin....to things like this he told us to always say "Can I see yours"...

In other words, if you talk the talk can you walk the walk....huh??? Where is your better version of this game then, huh where?

I dont want to start a fight so ||ass||variable dont take this personally it is a broad statement ment for all

It's nowhere. People don't pay me to make games.

DICE and EA, however, are in the business of making and selling games to people who play them. We expect that if someone is an established professional at doing something, they ought to be damned good at it and also held accountable for their choices in shaping the product.

I can't make a car, either, but that doesn't mean I can't be p1ssed off when my engine fails in the first 1,000 miles, my door handles fall off, or if the radio controls are located under the front seat.

As the consumers and users of products we're well within our right to complain, even if we don't know how to best fix things - it's not our responsibility to know how to fix things. We do our part when we buy the product.

It's the same for, say, web designers. If I create a site, I'm the one responsible for making it usable. If you visted Amazon.com and you couldn't figure out where to enter your credit card info, or the page kept breaking, no one would expect you, the user, to write the code to fix it.

[WarGimp]

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I've never doubted their interest in trying to fix things. I just doubt their ability to do it right and to the community majority's satisfaction.

I have doubts as to the community itself.
The community does know what it wants (look at some of the totally hairbrained "solutions" that people propose), nor do I believe that it will ever be satisfied.

If they were to nerf bunny hopping, all the bunnyhoppers would be mad. If they fix the AA, the plane whores will be mad. If they put a minimum range on the noob toob, people will say that the assualt kit is underpowered.

If by some miracle of cosmic alignment was to result in a "prefect" game, people would be mad because they have nothing to complain about!

[vbl]

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I have doubts as to the community itself.
The community does know what it wants (look at some of the totally hairbrained "solutions" that people propose), nor do I believe that it will ever be satisfied.

If they were to nerf bunny hopping, all the bunnyhoppers would be mad. If they fix the AA, the plane whores will be mad. If they put a minimum range on the noob toob, people will say that the assualt kit is underpowered.

If by some miracle of cosmic alignment was to result in a "prefect" game, people would be mad because they have nothing to complain about!

Tis why I used "majority". It was a very intentional choice.

[WarGimp]

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But we know that the majority of people (the masses) are slope browed, knuckel dragging, walk in to sliding glass doors, morons!

Really, it they wanted to make the majority of people happy, all they have to do is to make a blood patch, make EVERYTHING a one hit kill weapon, and remove every trace of a vehicle.
Oh, and hier some pop-rock group to do a "powerful and raging" soundtrack.
And put some boobies in.
The masses like boobies.
:p

[Donkey]

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It's nowhere. People don't pay me to make games.

DICE and EA, however, are in the business of making and selling games to people who play them. We expect that if someone is an established professional at doing something, they ought to be damned good at it and also held accountable for their choices in shaping the product.

I can't make a car, either, but that doesn't mean I can't be p1ssed off when my engine fails in the first 1,000 miles, my door handles fall off, or if the radio controls are located under the front seat.

As the consumers and users of products we're well within our right to complain, even if we don't know how to best fix things - it's not our responsibility to know how to fix things. We do our part when we buy the product.

It's the same for, say, web designers. If I create a site, I'm the one responsible for making it usable. If you visted Amazon.com and you couldn't figure out where to enter your credit card info, or the page kept breaking, no one would expect you, the user, to write the code to fix it.

Sometimes you make a good point but at the same time many people including myself find the game to be fine...granted there are a few little bugs but nothing stopping me form putting in tons of hours

[vbl]

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Sometimes you make a good point but at the same time many people including myself find the game to be fine...granted there are a few little bugs but nothing stopping me form putting in tons of hours

Oh, I play the sh1t out of this game. But that's only because I can avoid major issues (like AA effectiveness, bunny hop madness) by choosing to play on certain maps.

Still, some issues always drive me insane. Body parts sticking out through walls, the red tag bug, static spawn points, people who jump and shoot with the GL, and the ubiquity of the UAV and Sat scan, to name a few.

Stacked up on top of each other, lots of little bugs can have a substantial negative effect.

[The JizzBomber]

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Does anyone know about animal style fries at In-N-Out burger? I wonder if they can make em Jesus Style.......just FYI for you all

[BurnTheWeed]

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Does anyone know about animal style fries at In-N-Out burger? I wonder if they can make em Jesus Style.......just FYI for you all

You can get animal style fries? I thought you could only get the Burger Animal style?

I loves me a Double Double Animal Style.

[vbl]

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But we know that the majority of people (the masses) are slope browed, knuckel dragging, walk in to sliding glass doors, morons!

Really, it they wanted to make the majority of people happy, all they have to do is to make a blood patch, make EVERYTHING a one hit kill weapon, and remove every trace of a vehicle.
Oh, and hier some pop-rock group to do a "powerful and raging" soundtrack.
And put some boobies in.
The masses like boobies.
:p

Just the same, I believe that one can have a sophisticated, intellectual appreciation of high quality boobies.

[Donkey]

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Just the same, I believe that one can have a sophisticated, intellectual appreciation of high quality boobies.

I second that

[wartorn]

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boobies.

WHERE???

[The JizzBomber]

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You can get animal style fries? I thought you could only get the Burger Animal style?

I loves me a Double Double Animal Style.

Yeah u can get animal style fries.....did u know u can up the amount of patties on ur burger too?

[Noobzilla]

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1st page of forums retard.

there are already 3 threads about this.

who died and made you king of the world, prickzilla ?

FVCK YOU.

everyone supposed to have every post read before making one
of their own? Go fvck yourself, lamer.

[Jesse]

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I have doubts as to the community itself.
The community does know what it wants (look at some of the totally hairbrained "solutions" that people propose), nor do I believe that it will ever be satisfied.

If they were to nerf bunny hopping, all the bunnyhoppers would be mad. If they fix the AA, the plane whores will be mad. If they put a minimum range on the noob toob, people will say that the assualt kit is underpowered.

If by some miracle of cosmic alignment was to result in a "prefect" game, people would be mad because they have nothing to complain about!

I don't think the community, (read that as the general public), knows what they want. Most people basically want it to be as easy as possible, and from a gaming standpoint, that not only ruins a game, but has plenty of other negative side effects. It follows sort of a decline to where nothing takes effort, but what's the fun in that? People simply don't want to use their brains in most situations, and personally I think it should take every bit of 5 hours straight of practice just to keep a helicopter in the air, on average. Wind should factor into everything, but you have an indicator (to replace the feel of the wind, since you're not actually THERE), so you can judge shots via that, as well as gravity having a more prominent affect. Guided weapons either need to work, or go away. Anti-tank needs to make you guide your shot and judge it well, not just move your cursor if you screwed up. There are plenty of things outside the hardcoded bugs we all know need fixed that could actually challenge the community to THINK every now and then. I think it would be a great addition, instead of taking a leap backwards from 1942 to BF2 in terms of the thought processes required to play the game.

[WarGimp]

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Wind... blech!
Annoying!
Potential to cause even more issues with lag and such (more physics for the server to deal with).

I hear what yer saying about deeper games that make you think, but you don't need to go uber-realistic in order to add depth. Good use of game mechanics is where the depth is at... and I'd say that BF2 is leaps and bounds ahead of BF42. The range of kits and their intereactions, the ability to spot, the addition of squads and command communications... these are big factors that make the game deeper and pulled me in. I played BF42 and Nam for awhile, but both lost me in short order. I had Tribes2 to play with which was a much deeper game at the time.