Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

[raceacontari]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

i think it might be somethign to do with what server you are on. one time when a game just started, i jumped in a car and started driving away from our base. Some guy spawned right in front of my car, whom i ran over because there was no time to do anything. I got punished and all, and noticed i had a nice team score of -8. So -4 for the kill, -4 for the punish

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

just punish everyone to make it fair.

[WarGimp]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

i think it might be somethign to do with what server you are on. one time when a game just started, i jumped in a car and started driving away from our base. Some guy spawned right in front of my car, whom i ran over because there was no time to do anything. I got punished and all, and noticed i had a nice team score of -8. So -4 for the kill, -4 for the punish

This is a good example of how computer superstitions can evolve.
You observed an event (running over someone), then you observed an outcome (-8 team score). Us humans are great at making connections between things... even when there's no connection to make. There are other possible factors that may have come into play.

He could have bounced 3 times off your front before actually dying (-2 for team damage twice, then the -4 for the death). You might have backed over someone without noticing and they forgave you.

Point is, you can't always go by your own perceptions. They are falable. Sometimes you have to just give way to facts and dissmiss connections that you have personally made.

Hehe, if only our species as a whole could accept that concept!

[SpeedyGonzales]

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I'm seeing a lot of debate as to what the actual effects of reciving a punish is.

I've seen:
-4 for the TK plus -4 for the punish
-4 for the TK plus -2 for the punish
-4 for the TK and nothing for the punish except that it tracks 'em and you get autobooted when you go over a fixed number of 'em.

I haven't been able to actually stop and check this out during game time and haven't done any direct testing, so I don't really know what's going on with the system.

I occurs to me that you also get a -2 for team damage... so if you accedently shoot someone with a 3 shot burst and kill him you will end up getting smacked for -8 (-2 team damage + -2 team damage + -4 TK = -8). This could account for the oddnesses being observed in the penalties.

SO!

Does anyone have facts about what the punish feature really does?

The whol punish system is a joke.. so is the voting system...

I get punished 99% of the time, and I only deserve it 10% of the time..

Its just one more thing players do in BF2 that ruins the fun..

Take it out, as well as the g@y @ss magical map with all your enemies
locations on it..(UAV).. so corny.

[12-RST-]

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90% of the time, this is how I dictate whether to punish or not. I give em about 20 seconds to say sorry, if they Don't I usually I punish.

[SpeedyGonzales]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

just punish everyone to make it fair.

no, to be fair, just take a standard -3 point deduction and move on..
The killed player should have no role in deciding anything in BF2..
Its hard for me to even find 3 decent people on my team these days..
The rest are kiddies and fools, and cant stand to take a death, so they
punish no matter what.. its a big joke in this game.. the player base
lacks maturity as a whole, imo. Yea thats a common problem with
online games, but BF2 seems to have the biggest group of kiddies I ever
saw..

[WarGimp]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

The whol punish system is a joke.. so is the voting system...

I get punished 99% of the time, and I only deserve it 10% of the time..

Its just one more thing players do in BF2 that ruins the fun..

Take it out, as well as the g@y @ss magical map with all your enemies
locations on it..(UAV).. so corny.

Once again, Speedy I completely fail to see where you are coming from.
You make it seem like you've got some issues confusing your opinion with fact.

Why on earth would getting a punish ruin your fun? As it's been plainly outlined here, the only thing it does is log towards a boot. As long as you aren't making rampent oopses, it not going to effect you in any way.

As for the tangent moaning about the command map and tactical intel aspects, might I suggest that you find a different game? That's part of it and I personally LOVE the fact that Command finally plays a real role.

[imported_Garrot]

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I dont punish anybody. I usually write down everybodies name that punishes me intending to punish them back if they TK me but so far none of them have or if they did I didnt notice. I admit its a waste of time though.

[12-RST-]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

i think it might be somethign to do with what server you are on. one time when a game just started, i jumped in a car and started driving away from our base. Some guy spawned right in front of my car, whom i ran over because there was no time to do anything. I got punished and all, and noticed i had a nice team score of -8. So -4 for the kill, -4 for the punish

Race, who hosts the stat sig you use? thanks

[12-RST-]

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I dont punish anybody. I usually write down everybodies name that punishes me intending to punish them back if they TK me but so far none of them have or if they did I didnt notice. I admit its a waste of time though.

Theeeee Fu&&? You've never been punished and you write down peoples tags during gameplay? how many arms do you have?

[imported_Got Your Back]

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Theeeee Fu&&? You've never been punished and you write down peoples tags during gameplay? how many arms do you have?

That comment almost made Pepsi shoot out my nose. BAhaahahahaaha!! Who says he's using his arms to write it down? Maybe he's using his :censored:

[SpeedyGonzales]

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Once again, Speedy I completely fail to see where you are coming from.
You make it seem like you've got some issues confusing your opinion with fact.

Why on earth would getting a punish ruin your fun? As it's been plainly outlined here, the only thing it does is log towards a boot. As long as you aren't making rampent oopses, it not going to effect you in any way.

As for the tangent moaning about the command map and tactical intel aspects, might I suggest that you find a different game? That's part of it and I personally LOVE the fact that Command finally plays a real role.

Well, it would be hard for someone like yourself to see any point,
for that matter.. However.. to give you an example... my favorite
kit is the engineer kit.. If I use the engineer kit tonight, for example,
ALL game long.. I would be laying down at least a hundred mines..
Out of those hundred.. I would say, 10 will be ran right over without
any regard by my own teammates.. even though I lay them down
where the enemy is more likely to travel.. Big RED X right out in
the open for friendlies to see? Doesnt matter... Now.. It wouldnt
be hard AT ALL, for me to get 10TKs that gave, actually probably
more.. Out of those 10+ , I will be punished at least 9 out of 10
times.. So whats the use of the engineer kit ? NONE.

Sniper class.. from the beginning of the existance of this class
it has been a stealth oriented class. Anyone who questions this
is a moron.. Now.. lets put in a magical, mystical radar in the game
that shows ALL YOUR ENEMIES locations on it, ALL GAME LONG.
What is the sniper class now? No stealth there, thats for sure.

Jets and Choppers.. A Chopper can take a direct hit by a tank
and the only result is a little smoke.. he flys off, charges up,
hes back in 25 seconds.. Jets.. No REAL way for an infantryman
to defend against a jet.. Oh sure, people can say, I can take em
down with the AA, surrrrrrrrre, 1 out of 20 shots, if that.. Same
with the choppers.. Reload for chaff is shorter than reload for the
AA gun... This is all what I would considered to have been a simple
thought process by the programmer to factor these things in to
make some of these items actually worthy of being in the map in
the first place..

There was SOME thought put into the game... but no where near
enough.. I guess thats what you get when you let a bunch of Swedes
create a war game for Americans (for the most part..) who actually
know their stuff.. (i.e. a tank shell blows anything to bits.)

Ive actually stopped playing BF2 now.. I might play a buddy 1 or 2
games a week for his benefit, not mine..but all in all, I find the game
EXTREMLEY repetitive..EXTREMELY buggy...EXTREMELY corny in
many aspects.. So many unfixed bugs...New HACKS being noticed
more and more..and the worst of it, the lame , silly , childish tactics
used by what seems a majority of players these days.. (i.e. teammates
fighting over jets and choppers , hanging around on deck doing nothing
waiting for them to respawn.. Jet kiddies chasing each other around
in the skies in circles, ALL GAME.. its just corny stuff, pal..

Im used to playing games MUCH more tactful, MUCH more skillful, and
MUCH MUCH MUCH less bug latent.

[Molemann]

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Actually, it does nothing. You lose four points regardless of whether the guy punishes you or not. Either people retaliate because they don't know the full truth, or because it should be common courtesy not to punish for an accidental tk.

Now knowing this, I'm changing my name to The Punisher! And y'al know what I'll be doing.........apparently nothing by punishing:hmm:

By the way, whose whining about this?? I was just misinformed.

[HicRic]

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The only complaint I have about punishes is when I start building up punishes against my name over a longer round, and get kicked because of other people's mistakes.

Case in point: Some guy was screaming for people to lay down AT mines on the Karkand hotel roads. So I did. Five minutes later he runs over one and instantly punishes me for it. I eventually got kicked from the game for excessive TKing...even though I stopped the enemy in their tracks since they kept coming in their vehicles, and I kept taking them down. Stupid punish monkeys got me kicked & banned. Things like that make people complain.

[3rd ID Crow]

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90% of the time, this is how I dictate whether to punish or not. I give em about 20 seconds to say sorry, if they Don't I usually I punish.

Same here exactly, despite all the 'never punish, always punish crowd' My rule is simple, say sorry and god forgives you.