Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

[WarGimp]

I'm seeing a lot of debate as to what the actual effects of reciving a punish is.

I've seen:
-4 for the TK plus -4 for the punish
-4 for the TK plus -2 for the punish
-4 for the TK and nothing for the punish except that it tracks 'em and you get autobooted when you go over a fixed number of 'em.

I haven't been able to actually stop and check this out during game time and haven't done any direct testing, so I don't really know what's going on with the system.

I occurs to me that you also get a -2 for team damage... so if you accedently shoot someone with a 3 shot burst and kill him you will end up getting smacked for -8 (-2 team damage + -2 team damage + -4 TK = -8). This could account for the oddnesses being observed in the penalties.

SO!

Does anyone have facts about what the punish feature really does?

Edit: For the record, it has been figured out. Being punised costs you nothing in terms of score. It only counts towards being kicked from the server.

[DuffMan]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

Actually, it does nothing. You lose four points regardless of whether the guy punishes you or not. Either people retaliate because they don't know the full truth, or because it should be common courtesy not to punish for an accidental tk.

[WarGimp]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

Actually, it does nothing. You lose four points regardless of whether the guy punishes you or not. Either people retaliate because they don't know the full truth, or because it should be common courtesy not to punish for an accidental tk.

This is sorta what I figgured. I, like others, was confused by seeing different negitive numbers occuring after an "oops". It only came to me just now that I wasn't thinking about how many times I'd hit my teammate with that panic burst fire in the thick of things and how the team damage penalties would wrack up.

BTW, my most painful oops so far was dropping 8 rockets onto a friendly tank from an attack chopper. -2 (team vehicle damage) times 8 = -16 points. OUCH! He didn't even die from it and since I was flying as an egineer, I was able to fix my booboo by hovering over him (and gained 1 measly repair point back).

[Xicer]

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-4 for the TK and nothing for the punish except that it tracks 'em and you get autobooted when you go over a fixed number of 'em.

That's correct.

[18Zulukiller]

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Did it used to be different or is this somthing thats changed since one of the patches.

[WarGimp]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

As far as I know, it's always been the same.

People are getting their panties in a twist over nothing.

[Jaz]

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i was sure that it was -4 for the tk and an extra -2 if he punished. This is pre 1.03 though.

[ptegan]

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Nope. We had the same debate pre 1.03 and pre 1.02 and it's always been the same afaik.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

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just look in the game files

tk punish = -4 regardless if he punishes or not

team damage = -2

team vehicle damage = -1

[WarGimp]

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team vehicle damage = -1

One -1 for TVD?

Hmm... I musta done something else bad in that story I mentioned above. I know I managed to earn that bit fat -16 and there's no way I landed 16 rockets on the friendly tank!

Lets see... -1 times 8 rockets (I'm fairly sure it was 8, 'cause that's what I had left in my rack) = -8. Maybe I killed his gunner... -4, for a total of -12. That leaves one TK unaccounted for. Mayhap there was another friendly close to the tank that got caught in my ill fated barrage. That would fit the -16 score.

Interesting how when you know the numbers, you can make logical deductions, eh?

[vbl]

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All the math so far is kosher - the issue is that most people don't always recognize then they do team damage AND get a team kill, so the negative scores totaling more than -4 make people think that the punish causes the extra loss.

[WarGimp]

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That was my hypothosis, yes.

[Garabaldi]

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Xicer.. your favourite weapoin is the knife!

Holy shat!

[vbl]

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That was my hypothosis, yes.

Just reaffirming it so this discussion doesn't drag on with more theories :)

[WarGimp]

Re: Punish Penalty... let's get facts straight!

Indeed.

So now that this is varified, we know that servers that turn off the punish option do nothing other than alow griefers to TK with impunaty.

We also know that many folks around here have spent a lot of time and energy whining over nothing.