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  • Wynterheart

    #46
    Re: pkm

    Originally posted by ||ass||variable
    You got it. Since the LMG accuracy stinks all around, more bullets = better.
    i don't think so. i've been in the same situations with a pkm and the saw. 90% of the time i came out of those situations alive with the pkm. the saw was maybe 50%.

    it takes longer to kill someone with the saw than the pkm and when people aren't afraid of the bullets (most of the time they aren't afraid), time counts. because when you're spraying and praying, they're taking aim and killing you.

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    • vbl

      #47
      Re: pkm

      Originally posted by Hu.Z_of_PLA
      No. LMG's accuracy is fairly good. In the best circumstances, it equals to 0.64. That is only slightly lower than G3's accuracy
      That's not an achievement - the G3 has the worst accuracy of all the assault rifles. :laugh:

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      • Hu.Z_of_PLA

        #48
        Re: pkm

        Originally posted by ||ass||variable
        That's not an achievement - the G3 has the worst accuracy of all the assault rifles. :laugh:
        However you can spam a lot more rounds. Believe it or not, the PKM is a very good weapon. A 3/4 round burst can knock a person down.

        Imagine a G3 with 100 rounds that does more damage.

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        • Wynterheart

          #49
          Re: pkm

          Originally posted by ||ass||variable
          That's not an achievement - the G3 has the worst accuracy of all the assault rifles. :laugh:
          again i have to disagree with you. i just unlocked the g3 last night and i did a hell of a lot better with it than i do with the other rifles. if the g3 had more rounds, it would be awesome. 20 rounds runs out quick!

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          • vbl

            #50
            Re: pkm

            Originally posted by Wynterheart
            again i have to disagree with you. i just unlocked the g3 last night and i did a hell of a lot better with it than i do with the other rifles. if the g3 had more rounds, it would be awesome. 20 rounds runs out quick!
            See for yourself.

            "It has the highest Min. Deviation of all the assault rifles and highest possible Deviation per Shot as well (just a little worse than the AK-47). It has the lowest recoil when zoomed mod, but has higher multi-shot penalties than any other Assault rifle.

            This makes the G3 the least accurate assault rifle, even when firing single shots from the prone position."

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            • Wynterheart

              #51
              Re: pkm

              Originally posted by ||ass||variable
              See for yourself.

              "It has the highest Min. Deviation of all the assault rifles and highest possible Deviation per Shot as well (just a little worse than the AK-47). It has the lowest recoil when zoomed mod, but has higher multi-shot penalties than any other Assault rifle.

              This makes the G3 the least accurate assault rifle, even when firing single shots from the prone position."
              why does the game say this rifle has high accuracy and high damage but your site says medium accuracy?

              your site also says:
              "it becomes more accurate than the AK-47 and AK-74, but only after three or more shots have been fired."
              how the **** is that possible????

              so someone's comment about the pkm getting more accurate as you hold down the trigger isn't too far off?

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              • vbl

                #52
                Re: pkm

                Originally posted by Wynterheart
                why does the game say this rifle has high accuracy and high damage but your site says medium accuracy?
                1) It's not my site.

                2) You can't sum up all of the factors that play into accuracy into one rating, so I'd never go by the oversimplified in-game information.

                If you don't believe me or UBAR, that's okay. Go test the rifles on your own by shooting at a wall and using a dry-erase marker to record the groups on your screen. The G3 deviates like crazy even when you're standing/kneeling/laying still, at full rest, and shooting one bullet.

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                • BurnTheWeed

                  #53
                  Re: pkm

                  Originally posted by ||ass||variable
                  See for yourself.

                  "It has the highest Min. Deviation of all the assault rifles and highest possible Deviation per Shot as well (just a little worse than the AK-47). It has the lowest recoil when zoomed mod, but has higher multi-shot penalties than any other Assault rifle.

                  This makes the G3 the least accurate assault rifle, even when firing single shots from the prone position."
                  The G3 has less recoil than all the other rifles, which gives it better accuracy in general.

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                  • vbl

                    #54
                    Re: pkm

                    Originally posted by BurnTheWeed
                    The G3 has less recoil than all the other rifles, which gives it better accuracy in general.
                    Wrong. Recoil and deviation are two different things. Recoil is the degree to which the crosshair moves after you shoot, and deviation is the degree to which bullets deviate from where you're aiming. No recoil means the crosshairs won't move after you shoot, but the bullets will still deviate as usual.

                    So the G3's crosshair won't move as much after a shot, but it hardly matters since even if you can re-center the crosshairs more quickly, the bullets still deviate worse than other rifles.

                    At least high recoil and low deviation would put accuracy in the player's hands, but the other way around is pretty silly.

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                    • BurnTheWeed

                      #55
                      Re: pkm

                      Originally posted by ||ass||variable
                      Wrong. Recoil and deviation are two different things. Recoil is the degree to which the crosshair moves after you shoot, and deviation is the degree to which bullets deviate from where you're aiming. No recoil means the crosshairs won't move after you shoot, but the bullets will still deviate as usual.

                      So the G3's crosshair won't move as much after a shot, but it hardly matters since even if you can re-center the crosshairs more quickly, the bullets still deviate worse than other rifles.

                      At least high recoil and low deviation would put accuracy in the player's hands, but the other way around is pretty silly.
                      Yeah, I know what they are but I'm not wrong. The fact that the gun doesn't move as much after shooting (i.e. recoil) allows for better accuracy compared to the other guns. While the bullets may deviate more the entire gun doesn't so you can better aim with it after firing. With an AK you fire and the deviation takes effect and spreads the bullets out, the recoil kicks the gun up and throws the aim off even more. With the G3 you can accomidate the devation by firing slower and with the less recoil you can keep your aim steadier.

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                      • vbl

                        #56
                        Re: pkm

                        Originally posted by BurnTheWeed
                        Yeah, I know what they are but I'm not wrong. The fact that the gun doesn't move as much after shooting (i.e. recoil) allows for better accuracy compared to the other guns. While the bullets may deviate more the entire gun doesn't so you can better aim with it after firing. With an AK you fire and the deviation takes effect and spreads the bullets out, the recoil kicks the gun up and throws the aim off even more. With the G3 you can accomidate the devation by firing slower and with the less recoil you can keep your aim steadier.
                        Yes, but at least with lower deviation the first few bullets hit, and players can regulate recoil by firing in bursts and re-centering the xhair. We can't really say the same of the G3 since players can have the xhair centered on the target and still keep missing.

                        Recoil can be compensated for, deviation is out of the player's hands.

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                        • BurnTheWeed

                          #57
                          Re: pkm

                          Originally posted by ||ass||variable
                          Yes, but at least with lower deviation the first few bullets hit, and players can regulate recoil by firing in burst and re-centering the xhair. We can't really say the same of the G3 since players can have the xhair centered on the target and still keep missing.

                          Recoil can be compensated for, deviation is out of the player's hands.
                          Couple the low recoil with the higher damage and you don't need to worry about deviation as much because you only need the first couple of bullets to hit (which will be accurate).

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                          • vbl

                            #58
                            Re: pkm

                            Originally posted by BurnTheWeed
                            Couple the low recoil with the higher damage and you don't need to worry about deviation as much because you only need the first couple of bullets to hit (which will be accurate).
                            The G3 has the highest minimum deviation, and the highest possible deviation added per shot. The G3 isn't worth the gamble. Neither is the PKM.

                            Stick to the default rifles and LMGs.

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                            • Hu.Z_of_PLA

                              #59
                              Re: pkm

                              Originally posted by ||ass||variable
                              The G3 has the highest minimum deviation, and the highest possible deviation added per shot. The G3 isn't worth the gamble. Neither is the PKM.

                              Stick to the default rifles and LMGs.
                              first, the G3 is accurate in automatic condition because of low recoil, but not accurate in sniping due to its massive deviation

                              second, I calculated PKM's accuracy wrong, its best accuracy is a whopping 0.512, almost equal to G3.

                              Also, all support weapon has the same initial accuracy, but PKM and RPK is more accurate in burst.

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                              • ShadowWarrior18D

                                #60
                                Re: pkm

                                The PKM is fun but give it a whlie,you gotta get used to it first.Im one of the few that love the gun *shrugs*

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