I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[puglous]

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" Besides, they are always visible anyway." - not to your team's jets. And that's the point of this. Make them visible on radar for your team's jets so they can engage them.

Okay, thanks, I'll try that.

[Legli]

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For all those saying go play counter strike, you'll notice that this game also has tanks, jeeps, apcs and the like. Are they being complained about? No. Why is this? Is it because they are vulnerable to the average grunt where jets are not? Possibly. I've never seen a jet be snuck up on and blown away by C4.

Choppers, I think if they had armour reduced (or just got put on fire by the anti-tank weapons/tank shells) would be perfect but I'm not sure what you can do to stop jets. Wish the missiles where like the Tunguska in Point of Existance, now that was anti air.

[hollowpoint367]

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It's OK, Iraq felt the same way when the War in Iraq started..

It'sa known fact, airpower is supposed to kill everything.

Here are stats from the first Gulf War:

Allied combat air sorties flown: More than 116,000

Coalition aircraft losses: 75 (63 U.S., 12 Allied)

Fixed wing: 37 combat, 15 noncombat (U.S. losses -- 28 combat, 12 noncombat; no U.S. losses in air-to-air engagements)
Helicopters: 5 combat, 18 noncombat (all U.S.)

You are SUPPOSED to be afraid of planes. If you don't have enough skill to take down average helo pilots then it's your own fault.

[BurnTheWeed]

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It's just that the BF series is suppose to be a rock/paper/scissors type mix (the devs have said this many times) and right now the only way to take down a Jet effectively is with another Jet (Rock beats Rock?).

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

It's OK, Iraq felt the same way when the War in Iraq started..

It'sa known fact, airpower is supposed to kill everything.

Here are stats from the first Gulf War:



You are SUPPOSED to be afraid of planes. If you don't have enough skill to take down average helo pilots then it's your own fault.

In the war in Iraq:

-One RPG-7 will completely waste a blackhawk helicopter, think what an Eryx should do!

-One .50 caliber bullet ending up in a snug little critical place of a jet would cause it to crash.

-One hit from any AA missle would shred a plane.

Shall i keep going?

Its a game, stop referring to real life.

[HckyDlsstrs]

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about not having skill... im pretty sure it takes skill not to crash into a hilltop when ever you're looking behind u to see the enemy aircraft chasing you as u do a bomb drop... I have played many times where all i get is the jet for maybe 5 minutes at the end of a game and the other team has had pilots the whole time, and i come out as the top pilot/aviator...so no skill is deffinately wrong, i practiced my ass off to get where i am now...

[x2pixel]

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god, what is it with people who disagree with the fact that AA is underpowered:

1) "this isn't CS, if you don't like jets go play summat else"....oh ffs, we KNOW it is not CS, we know that vehicles are a GREAT part of the game, but the game needs balance particularly on this area

2) "stfu about balance, real life is not fair"...oh ffs this is a game you idiots, if we wanted realism we'd go and play CS, lol

3) "you n00bs just learn how to fly jets better"....oh ffs you jet jockey numpty, we don't want to fly jets, the game is not just about jets. Sheesh, we just think that perhaps we should actually have defense that works against jets, just like every other powerful vehicle has its own weakness.

4) "pathetic whiners"....I really don't think that sort of post merits a response

The people who think AA is underpowered have put down logical arguments, all I have seen from the people disagreeing are the above idiotic 'arguments' (for want of a better word)

[hollowpoint367]

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In the war in Iraq:

-One RPG-7 will completely waste a blackhawk helicopter, think what an Eryx should do!

-One .50 caliber bullet ending up in a snug little critical place of a jet would cause it to crash.

-One hit from any AA missle would shred a plane.

Shall i keep going?

Its a game, stop referring to real life.

1. - I agree that helos should take 2 hits to down, because 3 is ridiculous.
2. I'd like to see you hit a plane traveling 540 knots at angels 20 with your .50 cal.
3. Yes, and in real life pilots don't have cute little delays on flares or chaff chaff (radar guided missiles such as SA-8). Oh, and there's this neat missile called a HARM, which homes in on search radars such as those from SA-sites and blows it up! Gosh! It can be used from above said missile's capable range while traveling full burner! Golly gee!

You say not to bring real life into BF2, yet you go and do it yourself.

Shall I keep going?

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

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1. - I agree that helos should take 2 hits to down, because 3 is ridiculous.
2. I'd like to see you hit a plane traveling 540 knots at angels 20 with your .50 cal.
3. Yes, and in real life pilots don't have cute little delays on flares or chaff chaff (radar guided missiles such as SA-8). Oh, and there's this neat missile called a HARM, which homes in on search radars such as those from SA-sites and blows it up! Gosh! It can be used from above said missile's capable range while traveling full burner! Golly gee!

You say not to bring real life into BF2, yet you go and do it yourself.

Shall I keep going?

I brought up those points to show you the "in real life" card goes both ways, as you bring up how planes are supposed to be feared in bf2 because they are in real life, also funny how you bring up "proof", the war in iraq.. which did not have to equal sides combatting eachother, while this is the case in BF2.

Whatever is the case in real life is irrelevant however, BF2 is so arcade i dont even know where to begin. Its a game, the defences against flying vehicles are bugged, and need to be fixed. Untill then, they have an unfair advantage against the rest.

[ODBoy]

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I thought the whole Air, Land, Sea aspect of BF is whats its all about?! I can't fly myself but I dont dislike them being there...sure, I occasionaly get bombed to $hit like everyone, but on most maps it really isnt a major problem imo...Now, about these damn bunny hopping fools...

[Ghost-MOH-]

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Ok now it is time to give my 2 cents on this seemingly hot topic. For starters the jet shouldn't be "nerfed" to say and the anti-air emplacements do need a slight fix. First of all, it seems that the main complaint for jets is that they are too incredibly difficult to be shot down by units on the ground. The main reason for this is because the jets just do continous barrel rolls or loop-de-loops or some other form of evasion. To solve this, we just need to tweak up the realism for flight physics. This would solve:

A. You can no longer do infinite loops and avoid continuous barages of anti aircraft missles without losing airspeed, stalling, and crashing to your doom.

B. Jets would be an object for the "Ace" pilots. Most of these flyboys prefer a good adrenaline rush of an aerial dogfight than that of a simple base raping run.

The anti-air could be tweaked slightly so that they can actually hit fast moving targets. This feature is for the bombing base rapers who prefer to just drop their load on the enemy main base (where there is always garunteed to be an AA emplacement). So there ya go. No need to nerf the jet, just make it so that they must obey the laws of physics.

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Ok now it is time to give my 2 cents on this seemingly hot topic. For starters the jet shouldn't be "nerfed" to say and the anti-air emplacements do need a slight fix. First of all, it seems that the main complaint for jets is that they are too incredibly difficult to be shot down by units on the ground. The main reason for this is because the jets just do continous barrel rolls or loop-de-loops or some other form of evasion. To solve this, we just need to tweak up the realism for flight physics. This would solve:

A. You can no longer do infinite loops and avoid continuous barages of anti aircraft missles without losing airspeed, stalling, and crashing to your doom.

B. Jets would be an object for the "Ace" pilots. Most of these flyboys prefer a good adrenaline rush of an aerial dogfight than that of a simple base raping run.

The anti-air could be tweaked slightly so that they can actually hit fast moving targets. This feature is for the bombing base rapers who prefer to just drop their load on the enemy main base (where there is always garunteed to be an AA emplacement). So there ya go. No need to nerf the jet, just make it so that they must obey the laws of physics.

I think the planes are fine as they are, its just the bugged AA that really grinds my gears. Its extremly hard to lock onto a plane in time, When they do track, they veer off at the last second to strike some invisibe friendly, hello -points.

[imported_xRandoMx]

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It kind of bugs me that the jets have nothing really to worry about but other jets.

As an attack copter pilot, I pretty much have to fear anything that knows I'm there, except for a couple infantry classes that can't touch me and aren't near a stinger site. People are starting to realize that any mounted machine gun turns an attack copter into swiss cheese.

[puglous]

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This is like a room full of broken records. First off YES WE KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO BEAT A JET IS WITH ANOTHER JET! THAT'S THE WHOLE FREAKING POINT OF WHAT I'M SAYING! If the only way to survive in this game is to get in a jet then infantry and vehicle fighting (a long with tactics and teamwork) will have to be thrown away completley. Then you go tell us that would should keep airpower the way it is because this game is for all kinds of military fighting? How is it all kinds of military fighting when the only way to survive is to get in a jet?

There's no amount of skill that can shoot down a jet from the ground. Even with perfect aim on the player's part the only weapon that could shoot a jet and hit every bullet before the jet could turn around and bomb them is the sniper rifle, and that gun doesn't even have the refire rate, even if you hit EVERY shot, to take down a jet before it could turn around and blow you to smitherines. And I know from experience there is no where a pilot can't bomb you at. Indoors or out. I've been bombed in those buildings with the lockers in operation clean sweep several times, been bombed in the building in the center of Daqing oilfields countless times, and god knows how many times which I can't even recall now.

[Shabubu]

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I kind of agree in the sense that they need to make AA more effective vs. planes. And also make the plane missles more effective towards other planes as well (all you have to do is turn sharp or move erradically and 90% of the time the missles wont touch you).

There been WAY too many instances where ive had lock-on on a guy for well over a couple of minutes of me just following him, but however every missle missed because he starts turning after i shoot. Sometimes I get lucky and they hit while hes turning, but it seems that unless if they are flying straight, its going to miss.