50 cal sniper rifle in action for REAL

[bigbay82]

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I sent the video to one of my friends who just got out of the marines last year. He was a sniper and has lots of stories about the various guns he has used. I will post his response to the video and whether or not the 50cal could do it or not when he gets back to me

[Eintz]

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A couple of those look very much like Jack Rabbits not goats. Couldn't clearly see a goat in any of that. Was there a post somewhere that claimed they were goats?

A 5 pound rabbit would go flying a lot farther than a 50-60 pound goat.

[Lone]

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I have shot tha M82 quite a few times during my time in the Marines so far. Not against people, but mainly against cars, jeeps, trucks, etc... Also some IEDs, and other explosives. I've seen a .50 shoot a guy on a roof and half of his body hit the ground, and his legs stayed on the roof.

No doubt, a very powerful round.

[AlphaNut]

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It is true Geneva Convention prohibits the use of .50 cal against humans. It also forbids claymores and boobytraps that can be setup and triggered by the victim on accident e.g. step on the wire etc...
But I must admit that I'd rather prefer to get hit by a .50 then by a 5.56mm. At least the .50 WILL do it's job and kill quick, not let you bleed to death like the 5.56 high velocity ammo...
If you know what a small 5.56 round can do to a barrell full of water, then you can only imagine what a .50 cal will do to a body filled with liquids... certainly not a very comfortable thought...

[[LG]Cataclysm]

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Well...

I did some searching and found out that .50 caliber bullet weights from about 550 grains to bit over 800 grains(god I hate these UK/US measuring system, trnasfer to METRIC SYSTEM already!).

http://www.kbapps.com/calculators/Default.htm

That link leads to calculator which says that 800 grains is ~52 grams.

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn02-e.htm

Here it says that bullets muzzle velocity would be 854 m/s with M33 ball-round. As I have no idea how much that kind of bullet weights, I think we can use that 52 grams as differences shouldn't be that dramatical.

Physics isn't my strongest subject, but that kind of energy/mass calculations doesn't look familiar. Are you sure these kind of calculations work that way?

Anyway, with your formula that poor goat would be slinged in 0.88 m/s motion. Of course you have to consider few other facts which are bullet slowing down during it's flight as well as how bullets energy is divided when hit occurs. As bullet is such a small projectile when comparing to goat, most of it's energy is wasted in penetrating that goat. I just don't see .50 caliber bullet throwing 50 kg object around like that. I should say that it's not possible by the laws of physics.

However, it's well know fact that for example .338 caliber rifle bullet doesn't really move 80kg human body even when it's fired from close range. That kind of bullet would weight about 200-250 grains. Even multiplying that by 4 and taking few kilos away from that 80 kg doesn't really convince me. I could believe that if we would talk about 30 mm explosive rounds or something like that, but I don't really believe that .50 caliber bullet just has enough motion energy to rip a goat apart like that and send that ripped carcass flying trough the air.

We can either send this dilemma to Mythbusters or I can ask some friend more intelligent than I to do some calculations:)

A Grain is a Grain even in Russia, my friend. Bullets are measured in Grains no matter where you are.

[Nathan0490]

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I have my doubts about this... I'm not really sure if .50 cal bullet has enough energy to rip and throw some 40-50 kilos of goat around like that. I really doubt it... If that was few kilos of meat or some bunnyhopper, then i could understand, but a goat? Nah...

Well, you are wrong the .50 cal does have this much power. Until you see it in real life, dont share your non true doubts.

[Nathan0490]

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It is true Geneva Convention prohibits the use of .50 cal against humans. It also forbids claymores and boobytraps that can be setup and triggered by the victim on accident e.g. step on the wire etc...
But I must admit that I'd rather prefer to get hit by a .50 then by a 5.56mm. At least the .50 WILL do it's job and kill quick, not let you bleed to death like the 5.56 high velocity ammo...
If you know what a small 5.56 round can do to a barrell full of water, then you can only imagine what a .50 cal will do to a body filled with liquids... certainly not a very comfortable thought...

Not sure on this one man, ive seen video of it being used on an Iraqi by US Forces... b00m h3d 5h0t

[Gunslinger145]

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well, shooting at still targets isnt that hard.... i think....

[Nathan0490]

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Greetings

I have issues because I posted a video on a forum do I, Well I must go see a psychologist asap then pfffft.

What is it you dont understand about the fact I had nothing todo with the video except posting it here lol.

Anyhoooo someone mentions that there are flames seen in one of the shots,What you are seeing is animal body fat splattering.

When you or any animal is hit with a high calibre high velocity round you will splatter in same manner, It will tear you to pieces.

As for my behavior here I think I'm well behaved compared to some loonies/idiots and other malingerers there are here lol.

Take a deep breath and relax its just a forum for sharing information.

amen. i have to say ive seen this video before, titled, Clearing out Alquida or something, it is hard to tell if its humans or goats, etc.

[[LG]Cataclysm]

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Not sure on this one man, ive seen video of it being used on an Iraqi by US Forces... b00m h3d 5h0t

Oh, God... Now I'm curious... Can you PM it to me? I know it'll make me sick, though!

[Vash2051]

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just to let u know those werent mountain goats
it's a promotional excert from a 50 cal team in afghanistan
or so ive seen and heard.

[Guidon666]

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Well, you are wrong the .50 cal does have this much power. Until you see it in real life, dont share your non true doubts.

I have seen the .50cal. Both from the CDR's hatch of an M1A2, as well as the Barret. And No - It doesnt have the power to launch a 40-50 Kilo goat like that. It does some damage... but nothing flys around like that or explodes (With the exception a a few heads)

So thanks for sharing your unexperienced "Knowledge" while telling another not to share his own.

[Lone]

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They used that .50 round in desertstorm... not lately though. I've shot people with the m82 through windows of a vehicle, but thats legal :).

Depending where you hit some one with a .50 round.... you can split them in the torso.


On the claymore issue... actually we use them quite a bit... not as much when i was in the 5th though.

[Guidon666]

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They used that .50 round in desertstorm... not lately though.

So you are telling me the Barrets we used in OIF and that units are using in OEF are not being used lately? How are we defining lately? For myself, I would say sometime in the last 2 months (July 2005 time frame would qualify as lately) but then I redeployed and can say that I havent had the oportunity to witness it's continued use.

But it has definately been used since 1991 (Desert Storm)

[[LG]Cataclysm]

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Ya know, I'd rather be hit with a hollowpoint 25x110mm round like the Hispano then a 5.56mm ball, for the simple reason that you are guarenteed not to feel anything...