Spawn raping a clear definition

[Solar71]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Paas... Are your eyes sewn shut ?
dont mean to be an ass or anything...
but you are really blind if you can not acctually see that its lame... and TAKES AWAY from the game...

if you TAKE the flag instead of spawn rape, you team WINS!!!
if you spawn rape, and get a bunch of kills, but then eventually you die... AND DONT TAKE the flag... you get lots of points, but your team suffers...

If you are at the VERY LAST enemy base, and you CAN NOT take it... then fine... Spawn camp... you have nothing else to do... its totally cool...
But if its not the LAST flag... or if its not an UN-capturable flag.. you should ALWAYS take the flag... and STOP the spawning of the enemy... ITS never better for your "TEAM" to kill the enemy, but NOT take the flag...

It sounds to me like you play for "your own" score... not to help "your team"

if so, there is always DOOM and Quake... hahaha

have fun

[Paas]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Paas... Are your eyes sewn shut ?
dont mean to be an ass or anything...
but you are really blind if you can not acctually see that its lame... and TAKES AWAY from the game...

if you TAKE the flag instead of spawn rape, you team WINS!!!
if you spawn rape, and get a bunch of kills, but then eventually you die... AND DONT TAKE the flag... you get lots of points, but your team suffers...

If you are at the VERY LAST enemy base, and you CAN NOT take it... then fine... Spawn camp... you have nothing else to do... its totally cool...
But if its not the LAST flag... or if its not an UN-capturable flag.. you should ALWAYS take the flag... and STOP the spawning of the enemy... ITS never better for your "TEAM" to kill the enemy, but NOT take the flag...

It sounds to me like you play for "your own" score... not to help "your team"

if so, there is always DOOM and Quake... hahaha

have fun

Not only did you not read what I said correctly... hell, damn, that's about all. You didn't read what I said correctly.

Oh! Not to mention you added your own spin on things that weren't even presented. I'll try and help ya' out though, set ya' on the right path.

Spawn raping is a valid tactic across the board. Period. If you're in a tank, ACP, or some other vehicle and you feel that you would be of better service to sit back and provide heavy fire on spawning OpFor vs. moving in an running the risk of getting C4 slapped on ya' behind.. more power to you. You respond as if people DO NOT have teammates trying all all accomplish the same thing. While you're spawn camping, who's to say a few good fellows in your squad, or just on your side, aren't moving in for the flag while you keep the enemy surpressed?

Also, if the OpFor CANNOT find a way out of this situation, then, they lose. Truth be told, they shouldn't have been forced into such a position anyways. So, the grounds of being camped are their own fault.. rather it be the product of skill, or lack of tactics; it's still the camped individuals faults they are being camped in the first place.

...I don't take kindly to being insulted by children with low comprehension skills. So, I'm going to request you find someone else to misunderstand... Kay'!?

P.S. - Oh! ...and you're being an Ass despite your best efforts...

{WP}Paas

[THE_CARLOS]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

I will do whatever i f*^cking want to.

[Krring]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Also, if the OpFor CANNOT find a way out of this situation, then, they lose. Truth be told, they shouldn't have been forced into such a position anyways. So, the grounds of being camped are their own fault.. rather it be the product of skill, or lack of tactics; it's still the camped individuals faults they are being camped in the first place.

Oh, now I've seen it all... So it's enemy's own fault if you are playin unsportsman like or breaking the rules or the boundaries of a good behavior?

"It's peoples own fault that I have to stand in front of their plane. They should have given it to me in the first place"

"It's peoples own fault that I use hacks, why didn't they prevent it from happening in the first place"

"It's their fault that I spawncamp and baserape, they should be able to prevent it"

Oh my...

[SHA-DK]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

I created a simple script a few month ago to help server admins in their dealings with base rapes, it's not perfect but its still better than nothing !

http://bf2.fun-o-matic.org/index.php/Scripts:AntiBaseRape

The script creates a small perimeter arround any uncapturable flags.
Any enemy kills of the flagowners members indside the perimeter will result in a score penalty.
More than 2 penalties in 2 minutes will result in attackers instant death.

[=GS=DethAngel]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

What makes a strategy legit or not legit is in the eye of the beholder.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Kattspya]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

No, it's not. People don't do it because it doesn't net a decent amount of points in the game.

Now, on Un-Ranked servers, you tend to see a squad devoted to defense of certain flags. Usually a team of Support, Engineer, and AT.

Also, spawn-raping is a valid tactic across the board, unless the server admins say otherwise (I surely don't, the only thing I don't allow on our server is Dolphin Diving and Bunny Hopin'. If you get into an position to make life for spawning enemies complete ****, then, by all means use that to your teams advantage...). The objective in this game is to keep the other team from taking flags... best way to do this is to kill them and keep them dead.

Last thing you wanna' do when you have the upper hand is allow the OpFor to get their footing. It's the OpFor's JOB to find their way outa' the situation they have gotten themselves into.

There is not logic behind not "Spawn-Raping" now that I think about it.. I mean, why would you wanna' make the combat arena fair for the enemy. When you just worked a good 3-5 minutes to make it unfair; counterproductive some?

{WP}Paas

The objective in the game is to have fun. It's not fun to spawnrape and it's not fun be be spawnraped. If it's "war" then how come it's fun and not crying, screaming and madness?

It's not really a problem if you enjoy to spawnrape then go find a server that allows it. There will always be both kinds of servers.

[[13]VisciousDog]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

I defend a lot and for a lot of reasons, and find myself doing this alone. I do sit in a tank majority of the time, and on the lookout. Also taking cover from the air. Sometimes I only get 10 points in a game, then by surprise 80 points in a game (Silver), Only by defending and a lot of hard work. If the flag I was defending gets taken over by the enemy. I will do my best to get it back. I find myself alone (In a tank, APC), slowly working my way towards the flag, and huge amounts of infantry spawning there. I am not going to go right to the flagPole and sit their so I can be vulnerable to the enemy. I will blast away working my way inwards slowly, pleading to myself, "C'mon team....move in!!, I am holding these guys back!". So, am I spawn raping OR a strategy in the works. Half of the time it works, then other times it doesn't. I will keep fighting for that flag back in all means possible. Even sniping if I have to choose. Although defending is not a thing right now, but defending is going to be a key issue (Assets) soon after 1.03 comes out.

[Wynterheart]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Reply to #1:

I totally disagree.

Spawn raping is an artifact of old games where people spawned in the EXACT same place in a small enclosed location that could be easily attacked constantly without the possibility of reprisal.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN BF2!!!!

a) People spawn in random locations thoughout the base
b) Spawn times are random
b) No vehicles are UBER, ie: you can spawn as an anti-tank in a random location and EASILY kill a tank in 1 or 2 lives.
c) There are commander assets in the main bases that are totally legit, 1 spec ops guy isn't enough to secure them throughout the game
d) Commander has the ability organize and spot "campers" to aid in their defeat
e) 90% of the time camping a main base in BF2 causes the "camping" team to lose as people WILL escape and cap other bases
f) Many of the critical assets of a team like helicopters and tank are held at the main bases, and often undefended. Taking out, or stealing these assets is part of a global success strategy
g) People who whine about base camping just do it because they THINK it is socially acceptable, but it really makes them look like a nOOb IMO.


That being said, if a server has a rule, I will follow it. I may not agree but it isn't my server. But I have no problem with attacking a main base if I think it will help my team. If the other team wants to, they can kill me.

spawn points are NOT random. There are 2 or 3 set spawn points. which one you spawn at is random, but you always spawn in one of those 2 or 3 spots. all someone has to do is know where those spots are and get ready to slaughter.

spawn times are NOT random either. if its set to 15 seconds, its always 15 seconds. not 1, 3, 5, 10, 30 seconds.

people who spawn camp/base rape just do it because they are ******* who have no skill. they think its socially acceptable, but it really makes them look like a n00b IMO.

[Krring]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

I defend a lot and for a lot of reasons, and find myself doing this alone. I do sit in a tank majority of the time, and on the lookout. Also taking cover from the air. Sometimes I only get 10 points in a game, then by surprise 80 points in a game (Silver), Only by defending and a lot of hard work. If the flag I was defending gets taken over by the enemy. I will do my best to get it back. I find myself alone (In a tank, APC), slowly working my way towards the flag, and huge amounts of infantry spawning there. I am not going to go right to the flagPole and sit their so I can be vulnerable to the enemy. I will blast away working my way inwards slowly, pleading to myself, "C'mon team....move in!!, I am holding these guys back!". So, am I spawn raping OR a strategy in the works. Half of the time it works, then other times it doesn't. I will keep fighting for that flag back in all means possible. Even sniping if I have to choose. Although defending is not a thing right now, but defending is going to be a key issue (Assets) soon after 1.03 comes out.

Respect man, one of those few who actually work for a goal. Couldn't say that you are baseraping in that case. And it's not vehicles' job to go for the flag, but footmens...

[Solar71]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

To PAAS...

I completely understood what you said...
But i dont AGREE with you...

You sounds like a child...
And probably are, so im not gonna get mad at you... its not really your fault...
But one day, if you eat all your vegies, you will grow up to be big and strong, and maybe even mature...

keep up the good work, your well on your way... lol

[Paas]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Oh, now I've seen it all... So it's enemy's own fault if you are playin unsportsman like or breaking the rules or the boundaries of a good behavior?

"It's peoples own fault that I have to stand in front of their plane. They should have given it to me in the first place"

"It's peoples own fault that I use hacks, why didn't they prevent it from happening in the first place"

"It's their fault that I spawncamp and baserape, they should be able to prevent it"

Oh my...

No, and no, and yes...

I didn't say anything about the Tk's and their jets, don't try to smear logic across the board when it in no way correlates to the topic; you just seem childish doing it.

Also, no one said anything about hacking. Not did I promote this function in any way, you're simply trying to discredit my stance by throwing in other variables that have [read]NOTHING to do with the point at hand.

..and I'll so happy to explain that point to you.

Spawn camping is 100% preventable by the OpFor, granted, it puts you at a serious disadvantage when you're on the shaft end of it, but, it is preventable. YOU didn't have to NOT defend your equipment/ground and allow the enemy to gain control of your Armor, you didn't have to lose the gunfights which allowed the enemy to sneak into your rear and proceed to give you hell. Also, you didn't have to allow the enemy to sneak by you and destory commanding utilties and etc... but in most cases, people do. And so, you get camped because of it.

So! The blame falls completely on the camped individuals, and their team's, shoulders. IT's YOUR job to stop THE enemy from employing a choke-hold on your assets and ability to fight back correctly within' the moral boundries of the game and the EULA.

I cannot make it any more clear to you than this, and if you chose to throw unfounded variables into this debate. Feel free, I can't stop you... much like the majority of you cannot seem to stop a small band of people from controlling your primary base.

{WP}Paas

[Paas]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

To PAAS...

I completely understood what you said...
But i dont AGREE with you...

You sounds like a child...
And probably are, so im not gonna get mad at you... its not really your fault...
But one day, if you eat all your vegies, you will grow up to be big and strong, and maybe even mature...

keep up the good work, your well on your way... lol

Whoa whoa whoa, because YOU (the almighty apparently) don't agree with me I sound like a child?

So, I skip back a good 10 years of mah' life because I think your stance is moot? Wow!

Tell me somthin' else Yoda'. Apparently I don't have a grasp about how life works... nor' the aging process.

{WP}Paas

P.S. - Hell, at least you understand what I'm saying (or claim you do), that's all I care about at this point. If you disagree, good, just come back with some kind of solid stance other than, " It's undsportsman like to NOT allow the other team to regain ground that they lost of their own lack of ability, and thus' allow them to fight back..." Cause, that's just retarded in my book.

[Paas]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

The objective in the game is to have fun. It's not fun to spawnrape and it's not fun be be spawnraped. If it's "war" then how come it's fun and not crying, screaming and madness?

It's not really a problem if you enjoy to spawnrape then go find a server that allows it. There will always be both kinds of servers.

So, we disagree yet agree?

{WP}Paas

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

spawn raping is fun