Spawn raping a clear definition

[xxThe_Dice_manxx]

Greetings

There seems to be some confusion over what technically spawn raping means.

In my book this is spawn raping:

1.A squad or complete team having captured all capturable flags decend upon the last uncapturable flag and procede to sit in tanks etc INSIDE the base and kill everything thing that spawns.

2.A squad sits INSIDE the uncapturable enemy base in tanks/apc's and kills everything that spawns even tho there are other enemy bases.

3.Any other player other than spec ops sets foot INSIDE an uncapturable base.

4.Any vehical lands/drives INSIDE an uncapturable base.

Now there will be exceptions such as:

1.If a spec ops player is INSIDE an uncapturable base to steal equipment or destroy equipment they must leave asap having done so.

2.If a player is shot down and parashoots onto an uncapturable base they must leave asap.

Now these are the rules I follow myself , and to me seem perfectly fair.

And if any clan/players dont like it when I hammer the life out of them in a jet repeatedly then tuff **** its a war game,Destroying enemy assets from the air is a legit strategy.

[Paladin-X]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Spawn camping has been well defined throughout generations of FPS. A spawn camper is someone who sits near a spawn point and kills everyone that spawns at that specific point. In battlefield series, a base camper is one who assaults an uncapturable base. Exceptions depend on point of view.

[CS-Evolution]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

What makes a strategy legit or not legit is in the eye of the beholder.

[Flare]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

And if any clan/players dont like it when I hammer the life out of them in a jet repeatedly then tuff **** its a war game,Destroying enemy assets from the air is a legit strategy.

exactly tough **** it's a war game you are allowed to sit inside an enemy base and get the **** blown out of you if you want
it's not hard to sneak up to the people sitting in the base with a tank as a spec ops
what about snipers who sit on a hill next to the base?

[DLWebmaestro96]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

3.Any other player other than spec ops sets foot INSIDE an uncapturable base.

What if the player wishes to steal an enemy vehicle so as to use it themselves and to deprive the enemy of said vehicle? Sounds fair to me.

[greggerm]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

What makes a strategy legit or not legit is in the eye of the beholder.

Well played.
End of thread.

Lets not get into this... again...

[Gunny Highway]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

And if any clan/players dont like it when I hammer the life out of them in a jet repeatedly then tuff **** its a war game,Destroying enemy assets from the air is a legit strategy.

By this do you mean it is okay for you to bomb untakeable main base, but not okay for other to do similar from ground??

If a servers don't enforce strict rules like, no spawn raping incl. raping with planes, then I'm not playing there. The rules worked in DC in the Danish community and now in BF2 with minor adjustments like spec ops, can be in main spawn only if on demol misson, and doesn't steal anything from main spawn.

What I hate is when there are rules on a server and ppl don't respect them or starts to argue about them, if you don't like them play somewhere else, just like I would if a server allowed baserape.

[FiveO]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

What makes a strategy legit or not legit is in the eye of the beholder.

Highly agreed.

What some people view as spawn raping or spawn camping...others look at as strategic.

Learn to take care of your own home base. Can't do it? Then you don't deserve to be out capping other flags.

The best offense...is a good defense.

[Gunny Highway]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Highly agreed.

What some people view as spawn raping or spawn camping...others look at as strategic.

Learn to take care of your own home base. Can't do it? Then you don't deserve to be out capping other flags.

The best offense...is a good defense.

and if rules of server dictate you can't baserape, it still makes it legit???

Best servers around are servers with rules and good admins, smacktards seem to be fewer in numbers on such servers.

[=HPSF=Dr.Doom]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Reply to #1:

I totally disagree.

Spawn raping is an artifact of old games where people spawned in the EXACT same place in a small enclosed location that could be easily attacked constantly without the possibility of reprisal.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN BF2!!!!

a) People spawn in random locations thoughout the base
b) Spawn times are random
b) No vehicles are UBER, ie: you can spawn as an anti-tank in a random location and EASILY kill a tank in 1 or 2 lives.
c) There are commander assets in the main bases that are totally legit, 1 spec ops guy isn't enough to secure them throughout the game
d) Commander has the ability organize and spot "campers" to aid in their defeat
e) 90% of the time camping a main base in BF2 causes the "camping" team to lose as people WILL escape and cap other bases
f) Many of the critical assets of a team like helicopters and tank are held at the main bases, and often undefended. Taking out, or stealing these assets is part of a global success strategy
g) People who whine about base camping just do it because they THINK it is socially acceptable, but it really makes them look like a nOOb IMO.


That being said, if a server has a rule, I will follow it. I may not agree but it isn't my server. But I have no problem with attacking a main base if I think it will help my team. If the other team wants to, they can kill me.

[ConscriptVirus]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

well since there are no other bases to attack...what else are they gonna do?

[{sr}MajorMishap]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Ah this again, The object is to deplete the enemy tickets to 0, if they have only 1 camp left cause they couldn't hold the rest then O freekin Well, your fault not mine. I will not, or try my hardest not to allow you to leave that "protected" flag area for you to grab another base. The name of this game is domination, I don't feel sorry for you. I had it happen to me and it will continue to happen in FPS where you can reach spawn points, live with it and adapt. I have also been on the other side where we bombard a final spawn point untill we win. Heck I have had it to where our team was left with 1 spawn point and someone jumped in a jeep and got out to capture a flag ont he other side of the map where we all spawned to and took over the other flags. We worked as a team, didn't wine and cry but overcame the situation and ended up winning the round. Its war people No rules

[CS-Evolution]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Reply to #1:

I totally disagree.

Spawn raping is an artifact of old games where people spawned in the EXACT same place in a small enclosed location that could be easily attacked constantly without the possibility of reprisal.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN BF2!!!!

a) People spawn in random locations thoughout the base
b) Spawn times are random
b) No vehicles are UBER, ie: you can spawn as an anti-tank in a random location and EASILY kill a tank in 1 or 2 lives.
c) There are commander assets in the main bases that are totally legit, 1 spec ops guy isn't enough to secure them throughout the game
d) Commander has the ability organize and spot "campers" to aid in their defeat
e) 90% of the time camping a main base in BF2 causes the "camping" team to lose as people WILL escape and cap other bases
f) Many of the critical assets of a team like helicopters and tank are held at the main bases, and often undefended. Taking out, or stealing these assets is part of a global success strategy
g) People who whine about base camping just do it because they THINK it is socially acceptable, but it really makes them look like a nOOb IMO.


That being said, if a server has a rule, I will follow it. I may not agree but it isn't my server. But I have no problem with attacking a main base if I think it will help my team. If the other team wants to, they can kill me.

Well put. BTW, this is Evo from <^|SiNz|^>, howdy to the HPSF folks.

[Krring]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

IF someone would make a poll in the Poll-forum? I have tried since yesterday, but this forum doesn't allow me to do so. This was actually my writing for that poll I was going to make:

Since I've been discussing this matter in one Finnish gamesite, I would like to have Your opinion about this. There's few guys who actually think, that baseraping is important and totally acceptable part of BF2. I've never played any game of BF-series(and I've played them all as most of you guys, I believe), where that would have been acceptable. Well, of course there are guys who do that and it's acceptable in their opinion. As well you could say that half of your team planecamping is key to clear victory, right?

In a nutshell: Are you in favor or against baseraping?

Definition of baseraping: Moving to enemys permanent base to shoot spawning enemy and to destroy their planes, tanks, etc? This of course doesn't include spec ops because infiltrating enemy base and detroying commander utilities and enemys vehicles is their job.

I could agree with dice_mans rules, but I don't keep even that bombing as a good behavior. There's certain rules which don't have to be written, everybody should know them. Baseraping is one of them as it's not fair against other players to shoot them as they spawn. You could refer it to spawn raping with that exception that you are not able to take over that flag anyway.

I want to trust in that, that BF-community is playing for fair-play. I hope that no-one would conceal their urge to make points behind that excuse of "I have right to do it because it's not clearly in the rules" or "They should learn to play better". This game, as other BF games also, is about having fun. That fun doesn't concern just You, it concerns everybody and I hope, that everyone would respect those rules of good behavior even if everything is not listed clearly in the rules.

[xxThe_Dice_manxx]

Re: Spawn raping a clear definition

Greetings

When I am unleashed with a jet on a base I dont use bombs the gun does the talking.

They have plenty of men and equipment to fight back with and if they cant handle one jet firing its gun alone then its time to pack the game in and go play marbles or tiddly winks.

I have been on the recieving end of same tactic and it dosent last long and I loose a tiny fraction of the lives I've taken in the same situation.

There's a simple solution to end the whining and bitching and crap.............

Go learn how to play the game and stfu.