so Chopper Capping ends w/next patch?

[StormRavn]

Re: so Chopper Capping ends w/next patch?

more then likely what you will see happen is you wont be able to repair the hawk in flight other then that it is NOT! a exploit capin flags with the helos. its just good squad work in the helo and poor team work on the ground not being able to shoot it down.

I so tire of hearin that hawk whoring is muckin up the game . it is not it is a feature and yes you can shoot the helo's down. just stop playin like a noob pubby and learn how to work as a team with the weapons in game various vehicles and kits and focus fire on the helo and OMG like magick the chopper will go BOOM!!!..

Its amazing that people still cant understand that concept and instead need to scream EXPLOIT!!!!. If you must call the chopper caping a exploit this is not the game for you to play.

For all you nooby pubbies class is in session.!!!

OK!!! when a hawk is caping flags simple here is what ya need to do.

1 respawn as anti tank class like 2 or 3 of you aim at the choper pull the trigger a couple anti tank rounds into the helo and it will go BOOM

2 second way to make it go boom get into a fav hit F2 aim the gun at the choper and wear it out it will chew the hell outta it and it will go BOOM!!

3 third way to take it out get into a T-90 raise the tank barrel up aim at the front of the hawk FIRE!!!!!! 2 tanks shells it will go BOOM!!!!!.

4 4th way to take out a hawk spawn with the M-95 sniper unlock aim at the pilot . Kill the pilot the hawk will spiral out of control due to the lack of common sense of pubbies to jump in the pilot seat .

5 5th way to take out a hawk use the attack choppers or the fighter jets or the bombers. the hawk wont stand a chance!@!!!

6 6th way to take this out spawn as spec ops toss c4 bricks on the hawk while its hoverin a flag and click bang BOOOM!!!! it will go down


these are just some of the ways to take down your so called "exploting blackhawk flag caping" ya all gripe about.. the fact that you all are still screaming exploit is simple. you still havent figured out how to play this game and use the tools already in play to take the needed action to win by all means.

so before ya cry a river again learn how to play the game flyin a choper over the map and workin well as a team is not a exploit its called freakin good team work. something that makes or break a win or lose

[imported_thebamsco]

Re: so Chopper Capping ends w/next patch?

more then likely what you will see happen is you wont be able to repair the hawk in flight other then that it is NOT! a exploit capin flags with the helos. its just good squad work in the helo and poor team work on the ground not being able to shoot it down.

I so tire of hearin that hawk whoring is muckin up the game . it is not it is a feature and yes you can shoot the helo's down. just stop playin like a noob pubby and learn how to work as a team with the weapons in game various vehicles and kits and focus fire on the helo and OMG like magick the chopper will go BOOM!!!..

Its amazing that people still cant understand that concept and instead need to scream EXPLOIT!!!!. If you must call the chopper caping a exploit this is not the game for you to play.

For all you nooby pubbies class is in session.!!!

OK!!! when a hawk is caping flags simple here is what ya need to do.

1 respawn as anti tank class like 2 or 3 of you aim at the choper pull the trigger a couple anti tank rounds into the helo and it will go BOOM

2 second way to make it go boom get into a fav hit F2 aim the gun at the choper and wear it out it will chew the hell outta it and it will go BOOM!!

3 third way to take it out get into a T-90 raise the tank barrel up aim at the front of the hawk FIRE!!!!!! 2 tanks shells it will go BOOM!!!!!.

4 4th way to take out a hawk spawn with the M-95 sniper unlock aim at the pilot . Kill the pilot the hawk will spiral out of control due to the lack of common sense of pubbies to jump in the pilot seat .

5 5th way to take out a hawk use the attack choppers or the fighter jets or the bombers. the hawk wont stand a chance!@!!!

6 6th way to take this out spawn as spec ops toss c4 bricks on the hawk while its hoverin a flag and click bang BOOOM!!!! it will go down


these are just some of the ways to take down your so called "exploting blackhawk flag caping" ya all gripe about.. the fact that you all are still screaming exploit is simple. you still havent figured out how to play this game and use the tools already in play to take the needed action to win by all means.

so before ya cry a river again learn how to play the game flyin a choper over the map and workin well as a team is not a exploit its called freakin good team work. something that makes or break a win or lose

Hurrah! Pretty much agree, but I think the addition of tweaked AA missiles, and a AA pick up able kit would be nice to redress the balance.

BH whoring is a valid tactic, and if they have managed to load up with engineers, best of luck to them.

Think a major problem in BF2 is no one seems to want to defend there flags, therefore allowing the BH to cap the flags of the opposing team, as they all rush to the next one.

Heres a tactic for those getting whored, take the flag nearest the bh landing pad. They then cant rtepair it or spawn at the BH landing pad, but you can. Give em some of there own medicine and do in there UAV and radar to boot.

[BigBadBob]

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did people not play DC? get 2 Apaches with good gunners, and they would hover cap any base. Sure it didn't cap quicker, but you could still hover cap. My best games were in an Apache hover capping.

Learn to work together and the BlackHawk will be gone. But this is BattleField, no teamwork here.

So EA has to make it easier to destroy them so the loners will be happy.

[imported_dumbo]

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Note: this is only about the blackhawk, because that helicopter is the 'entire' problem.

respawn as anti tank class like 2 or 3 of you aim at the choper pull the trigger a couple anti tank rounds into the helo and it will go BOOM

a) the blackhawk can an AT user in around 0.1 seconds.
b) it takes 3 rockets to kill a blackhawk, if it's being repaired then you'd probably need 4-5 rockets hitting over a short period.
c) the respawn timer is 15 seconds, the blackhawk can cap a flag in under 6.
d) it's nearly impossible to hit a circling blackhawk (or at least very few people can do it - good luck finding >3 on a server).

In practice, this 'works' at your last flag, and fails everywhere else.

second way to make it go boom get into a fav hit F2 aim the gun at the choper and wear it out it will chew the hell outta it and it will go BOOM!!

Actually, it won't... AFAICT it takes something like 10-15 seconds to kill a blackhawk with an FAV (with no engineers on the blackhawk) - on the other hand, the blackhawk can kill the FAV in under 2 (or kill the FAV gunner 'instantly').

6th way to take this out spawn as spec ops toss c4 bricks on the hawk while its hoverin a flag and click bang BOOOM!!!! it will go down

As someone that has taken down choppers with this method...
[a] I've never managed to 'run up to a hovering blackhawk', nor have I seen anyone else accomplish it.
[b] C4 does huge damage, but has a relatively small explosion radius. C4 planted on the ground will not hit a blackhawk hovering at the 'vertical limit' of flag capping.

I've killed MEC/chinese choppers with this method, but I've never seen anyone do this against a blackhawk.

[Dloan]

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1 respawn as anti tank class like 2 or 3 of you aim at the choper pull the trigger a couple anti tank rounds into the helo and it will go BOOM

You need about 4 otherwise it won't go BOOM, it will go smokey smokey and back to full health.

2 second way to make it go boom get into a fav hit F2 aim the gun at the choper and wear it out it will chew the hell outta it and it will go BOOM!!

A fully manned BH is invulnerable to 1 FAV...

The BH counter is simply to destroy all vehicles in the area takes just a few seconds each one, including AA vehicles and APCs. It's not as if they're easy to hide from the air.

3 third way to take it out get into a T-90 raise the tank barrel up aim at the front of the hawk FIRE!!!!!! 2 tanks shells it will go BOOM!!!!!.

The easy counter is not to cap a flag with a tank nearby and go cap and easier one. Hardly rocket science is it?

4 4th way to take out a hawk spawn with the M-95 sniper unlock aim at the pilot . Kill the pilot the hawk will spiral out of control due to the lack of common sense of pubbies to jump in the pilot seat.

Ah yes, snipers always have the perfect angle to pull this move off 100% of the time. I suppose the next thing you'll be telling me is that running round with a knife is an easy way to take out infantry. Afterall, it's an instakill weapon...

5 5th way to take out a hawk use the attack choppers or the fighter jets or the bombers. the hawk wont stand a chance!@!!!

A good way, not always available.

6 6th way to take this out spawn as spec ops toss c4 bricks on the hawk while its hoverin a flag and click bang BOOOM!!!! it will go down

Childsplay to counter by the BH.

these are just some of the ways to take down your so called "exploting blackhawk flag caping" ya all gripe about..

Beause no other vehicle is as difficult to take out while having such a large impact on the game and only one side has one. The BH is the M60 of BF2.

[GgaDawn]

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well, you all raised some very convincing arguments about helos and capping and ways to take them down... but still, i think vehicle capping should be disabled completely. simply because of the reason you cannot take down a flag and put another one from inside a vehicle... any vehicle. if everyone treats the flags as only a simple sign of control and not "actual" flags then there's no reason to forbid choppers from capping them, but if we treat the flags as "real" flags then for reality's sake, people should have to go out of the vehicle to operate them.

[Ghiest]

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I beg to differ. The Blackhawk doesn't control what you don't let it. I've experienced plenty of instances where the Blackhawk was easily taken out of the sky. Just as the 3 engineers in the non-gunner positions know to repair, you should know the thing is coming for you if you control a flag. It's that simple.

pure ********

Against an experianced chopper crew there is little to nothing you can do. We had three yes THREE AT at mashtuur city MEC home base all hit with their first rocket and I had fired first and managed to get a second shot in and it smoked it up but by that time it had lifted away to their lil home base to repair. I had even killed two inside the cabin but it still managed to get away.

Don't say use a vodnik/humvee because they get ripped up in under a second by an experianced gunner in a BH and even APC's get damaged by these damn things.

The best you can hope to achieve against an experianced crew is to delay the enevatable flag capture. Other people have had more success but im talking about the SL flying a chopper with 3 enginners 2 medics in the gunner slots as a complete squad flying this thing, it happends more than you think but usually it's just pickup squads flying about in it with little experiance then you can take advantage of suprise AT ambushes to take it down, but in good hands the BH is unstopable.

Now this experiance is taken soley from Mashtuur city because I only play urban maps usually, on any other BH map it's ok because AA installations are a very good deterent against a BH full of people, dragon valley and daging are good examples ... good placement of AA stops it dominating but it's still usefull if you know where to fly.

I seriously hope they balance either Mashtuur or the BH itself, or give the appropiate changes to the other two helo's as they are just flying cows full of points at present.

[CS-Evolution]

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I like the balance the way it is right now. And I rarely fly in the Blackhawk. The only map the BH is a real harrassment is Mashtuur, but I enjoy the challenge, and the easy kills I get picking people off in the crew cabin. Sure, its frustrating when you spawn and get mowed down by a minigun, but its so damn satisfying to take out 3 people in the crew cabin with the PKM (or even more satisfying to shoot it down with an AT rocket).

[glaeken]

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What I have noticed recently is the game has actually changed into a new game called kill the Blackhawk. Ground combat is happening far less and virtually whole teams are going AT class just to defend against Blackhawks on the maps most susceptible to Blackhawk whoring.

This is obviously not what Dice intended for this game and I actually rate this now right up with the M60/LAW combo screw up of BF:V. It actually ruins the game just as much for those of us who want to actually engage in ground combat. You basically spend most of the time driving around the map taking undefened flags back just after the Blackhawk caped them.

It is funny that those doing this think it is more important to have good stats than to actually be good at the game. Quite how that strange situation came about I don't know.

[sincles]

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at nearly every flag, proper placement of c4 can take down a full chopper...thus getting you 6 kills and 6 flag defence points, a total of 18 points for a single action....infact, i think its fun waiting for a blackhawk come and cap a flag and just go BOOM....they get mighty upset when it happens :)

[glaeken]

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I prefer to hide near by with a tank If only the actual AA vehicles were even slightly as a good as a tank at taking out Blackhawks. It is dam cool when you take down a full Blackhawk especially when you get flag defend points as well.

[Dloan]

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at nearly every flag, proper placement of c4 can take down a full chopper...

I'd say you have that the wrong way round. At nearly every flag it's possible to cap it without coming in range of flagpole planted C4. If pilots bothered looking, they'd see it there as well. The lump on the flagpole isn't exactly inconspicuous.

[imported_thebamsco]

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Nobody mentioned the c4 placed a good bit up the flag pole? Raises the blast radius - been in a BH that was killed in thta manner and seen it done in several other occasions.

As far as raising the flag goes, you only need one person to physically raise a flag.
The flag as said previouslly represents a 'control' point. If a fully loaded BH can control that point to raise the flag, so be it. We dont need anything nerfed.

Only good solutions I think, are a reduction in the amount of AT and tank hits required to take it down and perhaps the need to land to repair, rather than being able to repair from the passenger compartment, think that would restore some balance, without nerfing it.

As a previous poster stated, the only map that the BH can truelly whore is mash city, as the other maps have plenty of AA placements or jets to counter the threat. A pick up AA kit or an AA emplacement or two on the rooftops would also reduce the problem.

[CS-Evolution]

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I'd venture a guess that a majority of BF2 players don't have a problem with the Blackhawk. Sure, you see a large number of posts here that bash it, saying its unbalanced. But the people who are content with the game balance aren't coming on here shouting "OMgZ teh BH is so balunsed!1!". Not to mention there are something like 100,000 people playing this game. Even if a thread gets 500 people bitching about the blackhawk, its still only .5% of the community as a whole.

I truly hope EA doesn't change things based on peoples rantings on various forums.

[DLWebmaestro96]

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The Seahawk is fine the way it is. There's no crying in baseball OR warfare.