The L85A1 - Real vs Virtual

[Fullforce]

In this post, I hope to compare the L85A1 in Battlefield 2 against the L85A1 in real life. This post is a serious discussion on how well the BF2 team put the L85 into the game. This is not a whiney post or moaning. If you ask why did I do this...well, i'm bored and I love the L85 (it's the standard weapon of the British Army...and it rocks)
I apologise for the really low quality screenshots, my pc is so crappy, BF2 is on the lowest settings.


Note: I don't know why the BF2 team chose the L85A1, as this is several years old and has been replaced by the updated L85A2, which is almost identical apart from the name and some changes with the cocking bolt, and other minor changes that fixed some of the problems with the L85A1.

Stats of the L85 in real life:
Caliber: 5.56 NATO (.223rem)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 780 mm
Barrel length: 518 mm
Weight: 4.13 kg (with SUSAT optical sight and no magazine); 5 kg with SUSAT and loaded with magazine with 30 rounds of ammunition
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute
Effective range: about 500 meters (with SUSAT sights)

Many of those stats above may mean nothing to you, and don't matter in BF2, such as weight and size.

SUSAT Sight
This sight is one of the most recognisable parts of the rifle, and something you will immediately notice when using it in BF2.

In BF2, the sight is virtually identical to the real life version.
The wide aperture (how much you can see in the sight) is excellent for finding your next target, good zoom capabilities, and the little hole in the sight that lets you see things that would normally be hidden if it wasn’t there, are all in the BF2 version.
The SUSAT sight is an excellent part of the rifle, and this is fully reflected in the game, enabling you to accurately kill targets that you wouldn’t be able to hit with the standard AK47, AK-101 or M16.

ACCURACY
The accuracy of this rifle is very high, and targets can be hit up to 500m away accurately. In BF2 this is also true, although for balance and the size of levels, 500m shots are rare. But up to 200m, this rifle is superb, and if you prone, and take your time, the target won’t know what hit him.

DAMAGE
Hmm. This is where things go to pieces, so to speak. In BF2, the L85 seems woefully underpowered when compared to the M16. In theory, it should do the same damage as the M16, as they both fire identically the same round (5.56mm NATO). (In fact, for fact buffs, both rifles use the same magazine, so if you see an M16 clip, you can use it in the L85…in real life of course.)
A 5.56 mm NATO round fired from any rifle should do the same damage, as they are identical in everyway, including the amount of explosive in the round to propel the bullet. So the M16 and L85 should have an equal amount of stopping power, but for balance issues, this has been changed.

That’s just my thoughts, what are yours? If you lot like this, I might do some more Real vs Virtual analyses, but I mainly did this because of my pure and undying love for the L85…

[Robocline]

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i love the L85 it's by far my favorite weapon in BF2 but it is aggrivating that it doesn't do as much damage as the m16 or the overpowered AK101 i've had people snipe me with the ak101 from at least 200 meters away if not more there have been several times when it was a duel between me and them i had them sighted with the L85 and i hit but they live and they hit me and I die i really don't understand this

edit* when i was firing at them we were both prone and i was aiming for a headshot and i figured they were also

[Jap1987]

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The only reason for these changes are as you mentioned balance, The l85 is much more accurate then any of the other assault rifles plus is has a scope. If you combined the accuracy with the one shot kill ability of the ak101 then you might as well class it as a sniper, which according to some of you it already is. And although you may have been killed in one shot from the Ak101 from 200 meters in the game I can gurantee it is not a reoccuring thing because that weapon is not that accurate at long rangers and 200+ meters is a long range. In reallife i would see this weapon coming out on top giving its slightly longer barrel 518mm (L85) 508mm (M16) but this is a game and in the end balance is needed.

[spikeyperson]

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heh, i spent 4 years in the british army, 10 years ago. The SA80 is prone to falling apart, sometimes the magazines used to fall out, and its an absolute bastard to get clean properly. Saying that though its much easier to do drill with since its shorter and lighter than the SLR ( which although only semi auto had great 7.62 stopping power)which preceded it - But thats besided the point! Our own SAS wouldnt dream of using it, and the only other country that has bought it i think is jamaica. Says a lot for the weapon doesnt it?

[Eddy01741]

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In this post, I hope to compare the L85A1 in Battlefield 2 against the L85A1 in real life. This post is a serious discussion on how well the BF2 team put the L85 into the game. This is not a whiney post or moaning. If you ask why did I do this...well, i'm bored and I love the L85 (it's the standard weapon of the British Army...and it rocks)
I apologise for the really low quality screenshots, my pc is so crappy, BF2 is on the lowest settings.


Note: I don't know why the BF2 team chose the L85A1, as this is several years old and has been replaced by the updated L85A2, which is almost identical apart from the name and some changes with the cocking bolt, and other minor changes that fixed some of the problems with the L85A1.

Stats of the L85 in real life:
Caliber: 5.56 NATO (.223rem)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 780 mm
Barrel length: 518 mm
Weight: 4.13 kg (with SUSAT optical sight and no magazine); 5 kg with SUSAT and loaded with magazine with 30 rounds of ammunition
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute
Effective range: about 500 meters (with SUSAT sights)

Many of those stats above may mean nothing to you, and don't matter in BF2, such as weight and size.

SUSAT Sight
This sight is one of the most recognisable parts of the rifle, and something you will immediately notice when using it in BF2.

In BF2, the sight is virtually identical to the real life version.
The wide aperture (how much you can see in the sight) is excellent for finding your next target, good zoom capabilities, and the little hole in the sight that lets you see things that would normally be hidden if it wasn’t there, are all in the BF2 version.
The SUSAT sight is an excellent part of the rifle, and this is fully reflected in the game, enabling you to accurately kill targets that you wouldn’t be able to hit with the standard AK47, AK-101 or M16.

ACCURACY
The accuracy of this rifle is very high, and targets can be hit up to 500m away accurately. In BF2 this is also true, although for balance and the size of levels, 500m shots are rare. But up to 200m, this rifle is superb, and if you prone, and take your time, the target won’t know what hit him.

DAMAGE
Hmm. This is where things go to pieces, so to speak. In BF2, the L85 seems woefully underpowered when compared to the M16. In theory, it should do the same damage as the M16, as they both fire identically the same round (5.56mm NATO). (In fact, for fact buffs, both rifles use the same magazine, so if you see an M16 clip, you can use it in the L85…in real life of course.)
A 5.56 mm NATO round fired from any rifle should do the same damage, as they are identical in everyway, including the amount of explosive in the round to propel the bullet. So the M16 and L85 should have an equal amount of stopping power, but for balance issues, this has been changed.

That’s just my thoughts, what are yours? If you lot like this, I might do some more Real vs Virtual analyses, but I mainly did this because of my pure and undying love for the L85…

Um, in the link youposted us shows youdidn't do your research on their problems. The magazines fall outta place, stuff like that, the L85 might be replaced by the G36 by 2010. The L85 ain't too great in real life, its' more unreliable than the Vietnam Era M16. And the L85 does the same amount of damage as the M16 in the game. Plus the SUSAT ain't too great, soldiers reported getting blackeyes becuase of the susat scope and the recoil. Plus it's more heavy than the stock ARs in real life 5kg is pretty heavy. The L85 isn't the amazing weapon you think it is, this is not my opinion, this is fact, if you don't like it complain to the guy who made world.guns.ru site, he'll woefully prove you wrong though.

[glasseye]

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That’s just my thoughts, what are yours?

balance.

[Eddy01741]

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Oh, and now you take away the link to the world.guns.ru site because it says how woefully bad it is, even a reporter said how bad it was in that, anyways, here's a link to see how unreliable it is: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm

[Fullforce]

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Well, you must have been using the L85A1 spikey. That was one pants weapon compared to the A2, which fixed all of the problems in the original.

The SLR was one nasty weapon, although it was semi auto - a bad decision by us lot, USA had automatic weapons and we thought it would be too nasty to have an auto wep, but we chose to make it 7.62mm! There were a lot of reports in the Falklands of soldiers accidentaly firing through walls and injuring civilians!

The SAS don't use the rifle as they need a Sub Machine Gun, as many of their missions are up close and personal to the enemy, and they need a gun that can be silenced - something the MP5 can do perfectly.

In practical terms, I find the SA80 excellent. The SUSAT sight is superb, and the weight and feel of the rifle is excellent to hold. The bullpup design greatly decreases the size while still keeping a long barrel, a barrel that is longer than the M16, which Jap1987 pointed out above.

But nice points there, its nice to see your opinion spikey!

[glaeken]

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In game the L85A1 does 32 damage per shot and the M16 does only 30 per shot. So in theory the L85A1 is the more powerful in game gun.

In practice though I think the accurate 3 shot burst of the M16 works out far better which is why the M16 feels more powerful when it is not. Its basically because more than one shot is hitting so you are not comparing shot for shot between the two guns. In single shot mode though the L85A1 should be better than the M16.

[Fullforce]

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Oh, and now you take away the link to the world.guns.ru site because it says how woefully bad it is, even a reporter said how bad it was in that, anyways, here's a link to see how unreliable it is: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm

You wot? I never had a link to their site in the post... and i haven't edited it out either.

The G36 is a great rifle (not the G36C, thats the commando version) and i think it would be a great choice for a new weapon for the British armed forces.

[Eddy01741]

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You wot? I never had a link to their site in the post... and i haven't edited it out either.

The G36 is a great rifle (not the G36C, thats the commando version) and i think it would be a great choice for a new weapon for the British armed forces.

When i wrote my post you had a screen shot to the site on world.guns.ru ithink.

[Fullforce]

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and the picture has not been removed, you accused me of removing it.

and by the way I wasn't comparing the problems of the L85A1 like what you said, i stated them, but i wasn't comparing them. i was comparing how well the Bf2 team converted it into the game... i wasn't talking about how shitty it is.

[Eddy01741]

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and the picture has not been removed, you accused me of removing it.

and by the way I wasn't comparing the problems of the L85A1 like what you said, i stated them, but i wasn't comparing them. i was comparing how well the Bf2 team converted it into the game... i wasn't talking about how shitty it is.

Ok, in that case it's al good.

Cheers

[Eintz]

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In real life the biggest problems with the SA80 series is all about durability, weight, ammo problems, etc. Soliders don't like the gun because it's akward to carry, and does not hold up well in the field.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm It covers all the endless problems with the weapon. But it also says.

I dare say the SA-80 is the most accurate mass-production assault rifle to be found anywhere in the world at the moment.

In BF2 we don't deal with black eyes, ammo compatibility, broken parts etc. We only care how the gun shoots, and in BF2 the gun is pretty darn accurate at range.

[Fullforce]

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finally!

Thank you eintz...i love you! thats exactly what I'm getting at here, you just said it better than me!