Baseraping issue..lame or not

[Wynterheart]

Re: Baseraping issue..lame or not

points. thats all they care about. they don't care if you spawn and die before you can take 2 steps and have no fun. they are getting points and thats all that matters them. i wish they never put the point system in this game. it totally ruins it.

[Chenzo]

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hahaha... this issue has existed since 1942 and it’s always such a heated debate.

IMO, base raping while a lame tactic, is also a viable one. Even if you don’t hold all the flags. You can keep a lot of the enemy’s assets suppressed allowing the rest of your team to get to the other flags un contested.

You CAN escape from a base rape. Yes, it sucks to be on the receiving end. Yes you’ll die a lot. But I can’t help but notice whenever I try to get away from a raping session, I can get away. Generally on foot, but atleast I’m out and able to get another flag.

And whoever’s server has the no arty on the untakable base is a ***** server. There’s just no other way to describe that rule. Someone else said it up there… what, I’m supposed to sit back and let you regroup and get all your vehicles and come take all MY bases?

In the words of Patton:

We are advancing constantly, and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose, and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time, and we're going to go through him like crap through a goose.

[Professor]

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points. thats all they care about. they don't care if you spawn and die before you can take 2 steps and have no fun. they are getting points and thats all that matters them. i wish they never put the point system in this game. it totally ruins it.

Not true, it's just fun kicking the crap out of people... points is an added bonus.

[Yezo]

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My motto is: If they were stupid enough to get themselve into that position they deserve it. The blunt fact is, I do rape the enemies air-craft carrier with my attack chopper, and it rocks.

However thats only when all the other flags belong to our team, hence no more action on the front lines. The real reason that happens is when the other team (U.S) spends more times camping trying to get that jet, or attack chopper on their base instead of spawning at a flag and C4'ing my ass.

Since they dont do that and they are stuck at their base, its their fault if I wana rack up some 15 kills by taking my chopper and bombarding the hell out of the aircraft carrier.

Only thing is; newbis come up with these *** expectations such as it being lame to base-rape. The only way it becomes lame to them is when they cant deal with the situation, however, they completely disregard the fact it was their fault it happened in the first place.

I saw some 3 guys going for a tank at my base (all enemies) and I knocked 2 out with a SRAW or ERYX, but the last guy got to the tank and raped the shit out of our base. The asshats were complaining, but it was their fault he got to the tank.

[Wreck0]

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Probably the best solution is just not to have uncappable bases. Then the attackers still have something to do when it comes down to the last base, instead of just driving down the tickets as fast as they can (and rack up points).

The only other way is to redesign the bases or the game so that spawns can't be killed instantly. Arbitrary "honour" rules feel kinda weird and restrictive; pulling back feels odd. I guess the problem is the game is several things to different people. It's an FPS shooter, where the fun is in the moment, but it's also a team game where overall victory is the stated goal, since flags are captured. Losing the overall battle makes the straight-up FPS part more difficult. But concetrating only on the shooter part makes the team game less challenging and rewarding.

However I agree base-raping when there's still flags to be captured is annoying. But at least that's easily countered.

[Chenzo]

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Yeah, I guess you should play on servers that are admin'd the way you like them to be.

[tjr1973]

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Maybe every server Admin should send out a Webster's size manual on what you can and can't do on that server. Give me a break.

[Hollister360]

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i spawn rape on karkand

[bam23]

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I don't think it's lame, you need to hold all the flags so the best way to do that is to stop the enemy at the source.

[UrbanMarine]

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If all flags are captured, the main base is fair game.

[vbl]

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I've long had a divergent opinion with the community on this.

Back in Desert Combat, many servers had this rule:

"No attacking the uncapturable enemy base unless you own all other flags."

I think that rule is absolutely ridiculous. My rule?

"You can attack the uncapturable enemy base only if you DON'T own all of the other flags."

Competition is fun. Taking pride in outsmarting the other team is fun. Mindless tank-spam at newly-spawned troops isn't fun.

See, I think attacking an enemy base (when there are other spawn options) is not only valid, but damned smart and cunning. I attack enemy bases all the time. It requires awareness, skill and luck.

I usually infiltrate on foot, sabotage a few vehicles, kill a few guys, and generally cause chaos. I'll jump in an APC for 30 seconds, then get out and get in a jeep instead. Then I'll run around on foot and pick off infantry. Then I'll man a TOW and knock out a tank. It's all about unpredictability, surprise, and suppression. Of course, it's also hard work - I am usually alone without support, healing, or backup. I run out of ammo often, and have to pick up enemy kits. It's dangerous, and the enemy knows where to find me.

But it's worth it, because I make it a hell of a lot easier for my team to take flags, defend flags, and win.

If a given player doesn't want to deal with me in the main base, he can spawn elsewhere. If there isn't anywhere else to spawn I'll hold off my attack until they get another flag.

As for the "base-raping", you all can blame DICE. Their insistence on using static spawn points for flags is one of their more abhorrant design offenses. Players should spawn randomly within a given area, which would make the "no other flags for the other team to spawn at" style of camping a lot harder to pull off.

[||Animal||]

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There is only one map that really makes Spawn Rape really annoying, and waht a suprise it's one of the most hated maps (although not mine, I reserver that for Fu She or Kubra).

Operation Clean Sweep, where a MEC team will load first, fly over, steal USMC planes (or helos, or both), and proceed to spawn rape for however long the map goes for. Or they just take helo or boat over and do the same. It's hard enough for USMC to win that map without that sort of crap.

Man, I don't know what kind of smack you're shooting but I've almost never seen the MEC win Clean Sweep unless the US has no pilots. Clean Sweep is a stat padder map for me. If I go US and hop in the F-15, the MEC have no chance. I might die once or twice from a lucky Tunguska missile but the rest of the time I'm executing any enemy in a vehicle or any enemy at a white flag.

Bring on that baseraping nonsense. It's legal, it's tactical, and it works. I typically won't rape until it's the last base left but if I can't find any ground targets to bomb, I'll go work the enemy main until someone musters the nuts to get up in the air with me... And for that smacktard above who uses a script to autokick players who cuss, what is your malfunction? Let me see, it's ok to stick a knife in a man's head, but don't drop an F-bomb when some fool in a jet rams your chopper. That's just too graphic... And don't forget kiddies, it's not nice to kill the enemy when he's pinned back at his main base!!! Are you kidding me? This is war, son. We don't make exceptions. There's no time-out, no safe zone, no mommy to hold you when the enemy is at the gates... Go play some Nintendogs and leave the war to the soldiers!

[deceiver]

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The way I see it it's pretty much your own team's fault (not playing as a TEAM, camping for vehicles, etc, etc) if you get cornered in the uncappable base... deal with!

If you're lucky enough to go on a good server with good even teams that plays together (as in squads... no not 6 one man squads... FULL squads), there isn't any base camping since they all work together and a lot of flag swapping goes about.

name of the game is TEAMWORK which not a lot of you do in most servers

[Frenchman]

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No Self Preservation Ribbon Requirements:
500 Global Kills with C4 attached to jeep.
600 Global Kills by ramming Blackhawk with Transport Helo.
150 Global times told "GO GET SOME SKILL YOU NOOB RAMMING BASTARD".
55 Victories on Mashtuur City whilst on MEC

Good lord your sig is hilarious and awesome at the same time!

[Professor]

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Man, I don't know what kind of smack you're shooting but I've almost never seen the MEC win Clean Sweep unless the US has no pilots. Clean Sweep is a stat padder map for me. If I go US and hop in the F-15, the MEC have no chance. I might die once or twice from a lucky Tunguska missile but the rest of the time I'm executing any enemy in a vehicle or any enemy at a white flag.

Bring on that baseraping nonsense. It's legal, it's tactical, and it works. I typically won't rape until it's the last base left but if I can't find any ground targets to bomb, I'll go work the enemy main until someone musters the nuts to get up in the air with me... And for that smacktard above who uses a script to autokick players who cuss, what is your malfunction? Let me see, it's ok to stick a knife in a man's head, but don't drop an F-bomb when some fool in a jet rams your chopper. That's just too graphic... And don't forget kiddies, it's not nice to kill the enemy when he's pinned back at his main base!!! Are you kidding me? This is war, son. We don't make exceptions. There's no time-out, no safe zone, no mommy to hold you when the enemy is at the gates... Go play some Nintendogs and leave the war to the soldiers!

Thanks... agreed