I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

[Wynterheart]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

so are the other choppers are being used to cap flags: COBRA, MI-28, AZ-10, or whatever it is called, dumb ass

if you think the other TRANSPORT helos are even closely balanced to the bh, you must be retarded. like glasseye said, some of those are attack helos and are supposed to have good attacks. none of the other choppers shouldn't be allowed to cap a flag either, ****tard.

[imported_VISTREL]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

if you think the other TRANSPORT helos are even closely balanced to the bh, you must be retarded. like glasseye said, some of those are attack helos and are supposed to have good attacks. none of the other choppers shouldn't be allowed to cap a flag either, ****tard.

Just say that you're a whining noob and stop crying but I bet most of forum users already figured that out :laugh:

so what if they are not balanced ? that's the beauty of the game that both sides are not the same...chineese J-10 fighter has more maneurobility than other planes, let's whine about that now...MI-28 has good MG, and Cobra's mg sux...let's whine about that too...

[Wynterheart]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

I look at all of this as part of the game. Blackhawks are a great tool and maybe people need to practice the anti-blackhawk tactics.
-Snipers can shoot the pilots.:dead:
-Anyone can shoot a member inside the blackhawk.:ar15:
-EVERYONE CAN SHOOT THE BLACKHAWK. :guns:

So what does that tell me?.....
Start shooting the blackhawks and quit complaining about them.

I have taking out several Blackhawks with small arms fire. You just have to keep shooting.:)




This post is not directed at anyone in particlar, just an observation of the thread. :)

good luck actually hitting it. when it takes 2 seconds to cap a flag they are already one their way on the 3rd second. the at missiles are too slow and do no damage. try hitting a bh that is flying, next to impossible.

[Propeck]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

Jeez Glasseye you're just so damned ANGRY about the BH. I wish you wouldn't be. I, for one, enjoy flying the BH and enjoy the challenge of taking one down. It's really not so difficult, and I don't buy your finding that the vehicle has more armor than it's Chinese and MEC counterparts. My crew complains of how naked they feel in the BH rather than the Z-8 or Mi-17, and are always getting shot out of it. However you will find more Engineers willing to go for a ride in the BH, which will lend itself to the illusion that it has more armor.

I think that the Z-8 and Mi-17 just needs better guns to counter the BH better. If not matching it's rate of fire, then give them higher damage/splash area would do the trick.

Yes I'm a transport pilot probably a good 30-40% of my recent playing time, but 3/4's of that time our clan is playing opposite USMC as on many maps as of late it seems more and more people choose to play USMC. Despite my gunners complaining about the guns on those choppers, we still have quite successful missions. I must say, I strongly differ with anyone that would argue how the BH is a 'Tank in the air', as it can be difficult to cap a flag when there are any kind of competent ground forces in the area. I'm sure you've heard them all before, just put an AT round in the cab, snipe the pilot out, jump in a Jeep and take them down, throw some C4 on it when it comes in too low, etc. etc.. This is not to mention having to try to outfly an attack chopper who's chasing you down as if you just started dating their ex-girlfriend, or someone just in it for the juicy target, taking a jet and simply ramming us as soon as he sees us, or of course the AA vehicle finding us. All these scenarios only takes 1 or 2 people, and on the big maps, you have up to 32 players out of which would have to be 'bothered' to take his attention away from getting to the next flag for a few seconds. My point is, even while it may seem that the BH is a Tour de Force when it's right on top of you, and gets the flag cap, it's rare that it's totally eradicated a area of a given flag of enemy forces like a ground squad will do, and so the flag is not secure and will turn again. Even when my heli squad are having what we may feel is a highly successful round, that is, capping flag after flag and are successfully evading attempts to shoot our transport down, that doesn't mean we're going to win, and when the tide of the scoreboard are against us, we hit the ground with the rest of the team to strengthen the 'front lines'. Actually, though I'm a better transport pilot than before, it's more and more difficult now to keep those birds in the air, as more and more people are getting better at taking them down. Whereas the transport chopper was just flying wherever, however you wanted and getting easy points before, now it's more like flying under treetop level, hugging mountainsides, sneaking up to the flags proposition. Flying those damn things now is the most nerve-wracking thing to do in the game!!

True, Mashtuur City is definately unbalanced, but nerfing the chopper would kill Dalian plant, Gulf of Oman, and probably Dragon Valley and Fushe' Pass.

Just learn how to effectively kill the monster, I really like popping off an AT or nade into them and watching people fall out, nerfing the BH would be an end to that, as it would just sit on the helipad most of the time.

I doubt anyone could change your mind on this issue, Glasseye, as I can see how strongly you feel on it in your posts. That and the fact that I've had the exercise in futility that debating with an Aussie can bring. But I do offer this as a different point of view for you, I can only hope you and those who share your position have enough open-mindedness to weigh this issue out in your minds again.

[Wynterheart]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

Just say that you're a whining noob and stop crying but I bet most of forum users already figured that out :laugh:

so what if they are not balanced ? that's the beauty of the game that both sides are not the same...chineese J-10 fighter has more maneurobility than other planes, let's whine about that now...MI-28 has good MG, and Cobra's mg sux...let's whine about that too...

but you're a whining noob who can cry about the bh not needing changed? you've relied on that thing for too long, time to actually play the right way now.

those other things you mentioned are balanced. the bh compared to other transport helos is not balanced. but thats not the main problem of this post anyway. its about helos being able to cap.

[Wynterheart]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

Jeez Glasseye you're just so damned ANGRY about the BH. I wish you wouldn't be. I, for one, enjoy flying the BH and enjoy the challenge of taking one down. It's really not so difficult, and I don't buy your finding that the vehicle has more armor than it's Chinese and MEC counterparts. My crew complains of how naked they feel in the BH rather than the Z-8 or Mi-17, and are always getting shot out of it. However you will find more Engineers willing to go for a ride in the BH, which will lend itself to the illusion that it has more armor.

I think that the Z-8 and Mi-17 just needs better guns to counter the BH better. If not matching it's rate of fire, then give them higher damage/splash area would do the trick.

Yes I'm a transport pilot probably a good 35-40% of my recent playing time, but 3/4's of that time our clan is playing opposite USMC as on many maps as of late it seems more and more people choose to play USMC. Despite my gunners complaining about the guns on those choppers, we still have quite successful missions. I must say, I strongly differ with anyone that would argue how the BH is a 'Tank in the air', as it can be difficult to cap a flag when there are any kind of competent ground forces in the area. I'm sure you've heard them all before, just put an AT round in the cab, snipe the pilot out, jump in a Jeep and take them down, throw some C4 on it when it comes in too low, etc. etc.. This is not to mention having to try to outfly an attack chopper who's chasing you down as if you just started dating their ex-girlfriend, or someone just in it for the juicy target, taking a jet and simply ramming us as soon as he sees us, or of course the AA vehicle finding us. All these scenarios only takes 1 or 2 people, and on the big maps, you have up to 32 players out of which would have to be 'bothered' to take his attention away from getting to the next flag for a few seconds. My point is, even while it may seem that the BH is a Tour de Force when it's right on top of you, and gets the flag cap, it's rare that it's totally eradicated a area of a given flag of enemy forces like a ground squad will do, and so the flag is not secure and will turn again. Even when my heli squad are having what we may feel is a highly successful round, that is, capping flag after flag and are successfully evading attempts to shoot our transport down, that doesn't mean we're going to win, and when the tide of the scoreboard are against us, we hit the ground with the rest of the team to strengthen the 'front lines'.

True, Mashtuur City is definately unbalanced, but nerfing the chopper would kill Dalian plant, Gulf of Oman, and probably Dragon Valley and Fushe' Pass.

Just learn how to effectively kill the monster, I really like popping off an AT or nade into them and watching people fall out, nerfing the BH would be an end to that, as it would just sit on the helipad most of the time.

no it would be used like its meant to be, transport.

i love all these leet players telling everyone to shoot the pilot with the sniper rifle. lol, yeah, thats real easy. at missiles aren't easy either. just throw a nade in the cab...lol. when did i grow wings and can fly?

[tjr1973]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

if you actually took the time to read this forum, there are plenty of people who don't like the way the helos can cap flags. its not just 1 or 2 people...

Actually I've read enough of these forums to realize that some of you will not be happy with this game no matter what is done. If you took the time to read these forums, you would realize that there are plenty of people who DO like the way the helos can cap flags and have always been able to cap the flags. What's your point.

There are things in this game that piss me off too, but who am I to tell everyone else how they can play their game that they paid for with their money. If things get so bad in this game that all I can do is yell about it in the forums constantly then I will just quit. Too many times I have seen some idiot respawn after getting killed by the Blackhawk and run out in the open and shoot small arms fire at that same fully loaded Blackhawk. What the heck do you think is going to happen.

[Wynterheart]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

Actually I've read enough of these forums to realize that some of you will not be happy with this game no matter what is done. If you took the time to read these forums, you would realize that there are plenty of people who DO like the way the helos can cap flags and have always been able to cap the flags. What's your point.

There are things in this game that piss me off too, but who am I to tell everyone else how they can play their game that they paid for with their money. If things get so bad in this game that all I can do is yell about it in the forums constantly then I will just quit. Too many times I have seen some idiot respawn after getting killed by the Blackhawk and run out in the open and shoot small arms fire at that same fully loaded Blackhawk. What the heck do you think is going to happen.

guess what? those people whe like the way the helos work now are stat padders. they only do it for points, not because its a good tactic or its fun. they do it for points because they can get lots of points by doing it. by changing it, they lose their only way of getting points.

[tjr1973]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

So basically you're just pissed because someone is getting more points then you and you want it stopped? Sorry, but that's no reason to apply extreme game changes in my book.

The fact of the matter is, if you play the game with a squad AKA TEAM, the blackhawk is not a large factor. Sorry if you want to run around as a lone wolf Sniper utilizing your leet skills to pwn noobs.

[glasseye]

Re: I hope the BlackHawks get nuclear weapons

ok if everybody that defends blackhawks is just going to post the same tired arguments over and over i will just reply to you as one.
okie dokie, here we go again. please try to pay attention and try to resist the urge the ask the same questions again.


1st excuse: its realistic.
reply: its not realistic. miniguns shoot fast, yes. miniguns however do not kill apcs in 3 seconds, nor do they have unlimited ammo. blackhawks cannot repair the damage done by a stinger in mid air, nor can they take a direct hit from a tank and continue flying. a realistic blackhawk would be able to be shot down w/ any of the assault weapons and they would not have bullet proof armour that can stop anything short of a .50.

2nd excuse: it takes teamwork to use, it should take teamwork to shoot down.
reply: it does not take teamwork to use. it takes 6 ppl doing things but that is not the same as teamwork. one guy flies, 2 guys shoot anything that moves, engineers sit in the back pointing a wrench at the the deck and tape down the fire key.

3rd excuse: i've taken them down before, you must suck if you cant.
reply: i never said they cant be taken down. its just that the effort required to take down a blackhawk is totally out of proportion to anything else in the game. i can guarantee that any blackhawk you shot down was crewed by idiots or newbies.

4th excuse: it is balanced, you want to make it unbalanced.
reply: its not balanced. it has what is arguably the most powerful guns in the game as well as speed and manoeuvrability second only to jets. it has the most armour in the game, more than a tank as well as the freedom to move in 3dimensions. it can cap a flag at twice the range that anybody on the ground can as well as capping flags regardless of anybody on the ground.

what part were you haveing trouble with.

the bit i quoted? you know? i quoted it so you would know what im talking about, you still seem to be having trouble though.

Wow, anyone who opposes you is automatically someone who has to depend on a Blackhawk for a good score?

iirc what i said was that anybody that doesnt think it is unbalanced is either a liar or a fool.

its easy to tell that most of you know they are unbalanced but dont care by the way you get so hostile when anybody suggest that everything is not right.

now be sure to ignore everything i just posted and respond w/ the same old arguments and insults.

[tjr1973]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

Not gonna argue your points with you as they are valid points. I just don't think they need to make it so flags can't be capped by helo's. I think it's an awesome part of the game. Nothing more satisfying to me than launch a GP30 round into one of those suckers and watching the bodies fall the the ground.

This is supposed to be a game and be fun but it seems like more and more people these days take a personal offense to being killed in game. If it get's that bad, I think you need to turn off your computer and go cool off.

I'm sorry, but I just don't want everything the same. You take out all the variety in the game. I quit playing MMORPG's because of the constant crying about this and how that class needs to nerfed. What a bunch crap. Just play the stupid game already and if the game is causing you more stress than relaxation/fun...you need to rethink your hobbies.

[A_Dirty_Hippie]

Re: I hope the BlackHawks get nuclear weapons

2nd excuse:[/B] it takes teamwork to use, it should take teamwork to shoot down.
reply: it does not take teamwork to use. it takes 6 ppl doing things but that is not the same as teamwork. one guy flies, 2 guys shoot anything that moves, engineers sit in the back pointing a wrench at the the deck and tape down the fire key.

how is that not teamwork?

3rd excuse:

i've taken them down before, you must suck if you cant.
reply: i never said they cant be taken down. its just that the effort required to take down a blackhawk is totally out of proportion to anything else in the game. i can guarantee that any blackhawk you shot down was crewed by idiots or newbies.

no you cant.

4th excuse: it is balanced, you want to make it unbalanced.
reply: its not balanced. it has what is arguably the most powerful guns in the game as well as speed and manoeuvrability second only to jets. it has the most armour in the game, more than a tank as well as the freedom to move in 3dimensions. it can cap a flag at twice the range that anybody on the ground can as well as capping flags regardless of anybody on the ground.

lol speed and manuverability second only to jets?
seems the attack helicopters forgot to show up the day you made that discovery.
Since it is is impossible for any vehical to have a wider range to cap a flag in, then again the whole second to jets bit has me worried, i assume you mean RATE. The capture rate of the flag would be the same regaurdless of the vehical the six people were in.

the bit i quoted? you know? i quoted it so you would know what im talking about, you still seem to be having trouble though.

thats it thats your big justification for a dumbass post. Try reading the whole post this time with your good eye. I explained both parts just below the sentence you got stuck on.

[glasseye]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

I'm sorry, but I just don't want everything the same. You take out all the variety in the game. I quit playing MMORPG's because of the constant crying about this and how that class needs to nerfed. What a bunch crap. Just play the stupid game already and if the game is causing you more stress than relaxation/fun...you need to rethink your hobbies.

balance does not mean everything has to be the same. i dont know why so many ppl seem to have trouble understanding that as we have all witnessed balanced gameplay hundreds of times.(unless this is the first game you ever played.)

assault has a better anti infantry weapon than anti-tank, does that make in unbalanced? no. because anti-tank can kill armour better than assault.
medic can heal and revive ppl as well as having the same rifle as assault and longer sprint. does that make medic too strong? no because it has no armour and no nade launcher.
tanks have lots of armour and a big gun, are they too strong?
no. they are big targets, slow, less agile and can only take obvious routes.

that is what balanced gameplay is.

[Beerman]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

ok well you notice the ppl putting "i hate whiner noobs they just wanna patch that fits there playing style bh should stay the same' well these r the noobs who jump into a bh and rack up 200 points a game and dont deserve the rank they have i dont care if a bh caps flags or w\e i just think 2 rockets should take it down and miniguns not as accurate cause c'mon face it miniguns in real life arent very accurate i think it should be as accurate as a ak 47 or sumthin not perfect but it still works a minigun is like a sniper ffs and while your moving. If they change it great if they dont w\e i Always shoot the pilot out with AT its so easy i get 6 kills everytime i see a noob get in one But At the very very very very least they could do to make it balance is make bh and all transports like attack chopps no repairing while inside u have to go to pad nough said
=)

[UnrealAlex]

Re: I hope it will become impossible to cape flags with the BH

Blackhawk is overpowered.period. If you think otherwise im sorry but you're just a BH whore and possibly an idiot.

No one wants to go running around as AT guy and try to shoot down a BH, only to be 1) Killed within sight by the chopper gunner 2) have the chopper repaired to full health as soon as you hit it with one rocket.

Also its armor is ridiculous. If one shot, from AT or from a TANK, can't bring down a chopper thats ridiculous.

Its a transport chopper, for transport of troops from one location to another, not a flying fortress.