Ok, *4* direct hits with my antitank weapon and the chopper is still FLYING!?!?

[Wynterheart]

SO you're saying 1 lonewolf AT guy should easily bring down a proper crew of 6 players with correct kits? Sure they're annoying. Options: Get lucky/skillful and hit the crew compartment, get some friends to play AT and ambush it with you, leave server

you can do it with tanks, why is a helo hovering 20 feet off the ground any different?

[N2K]

when a heli was hovering i shot into the piolets window, which killed him, so the heli dropped with the co still inside, pulled out with my at and hit it

[imported_xRandoMx]

It isn't the blackhawk, it is the three cheesed*ck engineers inside repairing it.

They repair faster than you can damage the chopper by yourself as an at guy, just the way it is.

[Smelly]

Ever wonder why Karkand is such a popular map? Well it is for me at least, the biggest reason is that there is no aircrafts flying around... the largest imbalances in the game come from either Jets flying over dropping bombs with little to no fear of being shot down or choppers with tank armor blowing up anything moving or the BH chopper and its crew of one support, 2 or 3 Engineers and maybe a medic flying around.

I don't want to totally nerf the BH so that it pops with just one hit of an Anti Tank rocket, heck I wouldn't even care if it took as many as it currently does, but being able to constantly repair the Helo in mid-flight is lame. Make it land to be repaired and you won't see as many BH whores out there.

As for the jets, there would have to be more options for bringing them down from the ground, whether it is more SAM sites or more AA vehicles.

Also to answer "teh_powner_of_n00bs", I can take out a tank solo with 3 or 4 well placed rockets, why should that be nearly impossible with a BH which in real life we all know has nowhere the amount of survivability that a Tank does.

Oh and I was watching Mail Call last night (one of the best shows ever) and the Gunny was talking about Bazookas. He mentioned how todays Anti-Tank rockets can pierce 14 inches of armor because they use a shape charge... the nasty thing is that it turns the tanks armor on the inside into the shrapnel that ends up killing the people inside. The Army dude who was talking to him said that a direct hit with one round on an APC would give 100% fatality... destructive force will always outweigh the defensive possibilites.

[aLLyBOOM]

The most fun that you can have on this game is to go Anti-Blackhawk on Mashtuur City, you and a mate grab a t-90 and go hunting!!, Me and my bro shot it down at least 5 times in a round today...

[Dearmad]

SO you're saying 1 lonewolf AT guy should easily bring down a proper crew of 6 players with correct kits? Sure they're annoying. Options: Get lucky/skillful and hit the crew compartment, get some friends to play AT and ambush it with you, leave server

YES, *I* SHOULD, when hit your damned ass *4* times! Case closed on that.

On another topic, NO AIRCRAFT should resupply, repair while in the air, sthey should LAND and be vulnerable there. Come to a FULL stop before the wrenches start to work.

[MeatPie]

On Daqing Oilfields as Chinese I sat in the Type 98 at the North-Eastern flag. I was dong crap previously in the round untill this moment. Out of the blue, the BH appears. Two shots and it dies. So i'm thinking "ok that was fun for a change". I kill a few infantry with the tank and what do I see appearing on the horizon? Yep, the BH again and so of course I kill it again. (Same squad of whores inside it...figures). So I defend the flag a bit more (We had nearly all the flag points by now), popping a few FAVs and whatnot with the tank and what do I see for the 3rd time? That damn BH again. So obviously, I pop it again (I was cackling like mad by this time ). Now you'd think the BH whores would wisen up and go to another flag point to cap in their oh so cool 4 second time it takes but no...they come at me again and again. I have never gotten such a high score but it was my best round ever.

[blankoboy]

1 shot from any MBT should destroy a BlackHawk (of course this is not the case)

Instead of the AT to Blackhawk approach I opt for C4. I have many a time lobbed C4 packs up at a hovering heli (be Blackhawk, Cobra, etc) and blown the hell out of them. One of the most satisfying moves in BF2 IMO.

[Dearmad]

How do you lob it mine sort of dribble out of my hands...

[glasseye]

None of the other Transport helicopters have limits on their ammo, Only attack helicopters which have guns more powerful than the BH.

actually, i tested it on an empty server, no mods, dalian plant.
minigun took 3seconds hitting anywhere on an apc to kill it. both attack choppers took 3 reheats. the mec transpot choppers guns dont damage apcs at all.
minigun takes half an overheat to kill an attack chopper, the attack choppers takes 2 reheats to kill the blackhawk.

the only thing the attack choppers cannon can do better is it can damage tanks, the miningun cant. the attack chopper cannon doesnt do that very well though, only places i could get damage to register on tanks was in between the turret and hull and by hitting it on the thin panel at the back.

the minigun may possibly be the single most powerful weapon in the universe.

[yuliang01]

Ever wonder why Karkand is such a popular map? Well it is for me at least, the biggest reason is that there is no aircrafts flying around... the largest imbalances in the game come from either Jets flying over dropping bombs with little to no fear of being shot down or choppers with tank armor blowing up anything moving or the BH chopper and its crew of one support, 2 or 3 Engineers and maybe a medic flying around.

for me too. I like the blue sky and shining sun without choppers or jets.

[swordfish56]

If the pilot is good, aircraft are so dangerous.....

I think the Blawkhawk should be equalized in terms of firepower w/the Chinese or MEC Mi-8 Hip (at least thats what i think it is). The chain gun feels too powerful in comparison to the MG on the Chinese/MEC trans choppers.

[glaeken]

The real issue with the Blackhawk is when it has engineers fixing it from the inside. In that instance you may as well not bother shooting at it because it will fix itself faster than you can damage it and really you are just giving stats padders engineering fix points. Your best tactic in the face of such a Blackhawk team is save your ammo and hide then cap the flag back the moment they fly off to the next one.

I really don't understand why Dice allowed this internal fixing as it really is like an inbuilt cheat. They only thing I have found to stand a chance in the face of a Blackhawk with a full load of engineers is a tank as its main shots have the power to overcome the internal fixing rate of the engineers. Good luck finding a Blackhawk pilot that will let you get in enough shots though.

Of course the stingers as well are good if they happen to be in the mood to hit the target though you never know what mood they are going to be in at any particular moment.

[glasseye]

The real issue with the Blackhawk is when it has engineers fixing it from the inside.

thats only part of it. having the most powerful gun in the game is also part of it, as is capping flags in 2seconds.

[glaeken]

Yeah true but I find a Blackhawk without Engineers on board is actually not too difficult to take down. I don't think they should nerf its guns as they should be that powerful. I think if they change it so it can not cap flags and get rid of the internal fixing I will be fine with it.