They are now ruining the best map! Karkand

[glasseye]

Just add an attack chopper to each side, will get rid of the tank/apc whores quite quickly. :-)

muahahaha. I hate when that map comes up and I gotta run around on foot instead of in a variety of rotary-wing aircraft.

wtf? the reason ppl like it is because it has no air power.

[The Crazy Idiot]

Look at deviation while prone.

[[F.E.A.R]Cicada]

Got my 19 kill streak score by parking a tank outside the spawn on karkland and capping them as they ran to a repair/health/ammo crate in the middle of the road. lol good times.

i'm similar. got a 25 kill streak yesterday by parking an APC in the north alley with a perfect view of 3 of the entrance to the city. took them ages to blow me up... funny since 2 AT's would have done it.. must have got literally 20 kill assists as well..

[Sgt.NightFire]

When there is someone camping our base i take a AT kit and spawn some where else and blow them up,or call in artill....
And if you are really desperate,join their team and blow those 2 spawncamping apc's up :P

[teadaze]

u know thats the only way to actually get that friggin flag. sit with an apc and cap every spawner and cut down enemy activity and get the flag. it's not worse then the, (a new word Grenade whores) throwing the grenades...99% of all mecs spawn there and it's impossible to get the flag.

[[13]VisciousDog]

Their will be a goon squad to hold enemy, while the rest of the team is capping flags. And their is the flag defenders (Rare, and my favorite way of playing BF2). And their is the offense, going for flags. Today, on a map (One with tv station), and I was out on a tactic to a flag post (To get flag back that I lost with team). On the way, I shot a sniper ready to take position. I then continued onto my mission. Person responds "Doesn't anyone go for flags anymore?!". Umm..what do you say when you are going for a flag? Every team, squad, lone wolfs has their missions. Those guys can be defeated. Takes time, and time to be tactical. I can understand your pain.

[oaKenfoLd]

You might say "Why didnt use just you just use a AT kit and stop crying"...well because it didnt matter

Let me go ahead and say it...
Why don't you use an AT kit, and get a friend to use an assault kit and smoke the area?
or
Why don't you use an AT kit, and get a friend to snipe the support guys?
or
Why don't you use an assault kit, and spot the tank for your armor moving up?

Teamwork is the answer. There is NO way YOU yourself should be able to run up and defend the flag by yourself in the situation you describe. you describe the other team using teamwork...support guys covering the asses of the armor.

Well, guess what. Teamwork trumps in BF2, and you need to put up or shut up. I understand the frustration, and would attribute that to you playing with people who don't know how to use teamwork very well. But nonetheless, if I'm sitting with my clanmates in a practiced manuever with them in armor and me covering their asses, I don't want you to have a noob "pwn now" button to wipe us all out. Try the teamwork stuff they describe on the box, its really amazing.

[steel609]

Last game i played.....One APC sat outside of the Alley where you spawn at the hotel, another APC beside the burning car firing at that side of the spawn. So no matter where you spawned you had two APCs firing on you, not counting the guys on the room across from the alley firing support weapons, and the other tank blasting even more.

You might say "Why didnt use just you just use a AT kit and stop crying"...well because it didnt matter. It was impossible getting to them because of the support guys on the roof keeping the SFs away with c4 and AT was gun down even faster. They never tried to capture the flag just sat there killing over and over. We'd spawn else where, but we have to encounter enemy or keep losing tickets and witht hat setup it was just continous cut down and spawn raping.

Sorry had to vent

This problem could have been easily fixed.....get another Commander!

He should have told his team to back out and call in artillery. When they start scrambling, take out the armor with A/T, and then hunt down the others like the dogs they are.

[NoSoup4You]

I got an idea.....use this little known trick/cheat in-game. Its called TEAMWORK.

Teamwork > Spawn campers any day.

[Wynterheart]

The support guns are actually really accurate, as long as your laying down.

what game are you playing?

[oaKenfoLd]

Amen, it's refreshing that not everyone buys into this "Deliver me a game that lets ME pwn hard without any dedication, practice, or teamwork".

That's Counterstrike, that is not Battlefield 2.

[imported_Champion]

what game are you playing?

They're extremely accurate when prone. I know, I play with support all the time.

[unlimitedmp]

What would u have them do? Sit in the middle where ppl can toss c4, rocket em, or mine them?

It's quite simple really. Just mine the road in the beginning and problem solved.

[ScarySquirrel]

Oh how i love this map. Its intense, close combat and usually last along time. Beats running forever to get to a battle just to die. Theres no blackhawk whores but now theres a new problem. The worst spawn camping in the history of...damn spawn camping. I know people are going to rape spawn when trying to get black but they are raping them and just not taking flags.

Last game i played.....One APC sat outside of the Alley where you spawn at the hotel, another APC beside the burning car firing at that side of the spawn. So no matter where you spawned you had two APCs firing on you, not counting the guys on the room across from the alley firing support weapons, and the other tank blasting even more.

You might say "Why didnt use just you just use a AT kit and stop crying"...well because it didnt matter. It was impossible getting to them because of the support guys on the roof keeping the SFs away with c4 and AT was gun down even faster. They never tried to capture the flag just sat there killing over and over. We'd spawn else where, but we have to encounter enemy or keep losing tickets and witht hat setup it was just continous cut down and spawn raping.

Sorry had to vent

boo ****ing hoo, deal with it

[Variable]

I think the problem needs to be solved another way.

We know that spawn campers will always exist. They will never simply go away. So DICE should fix the entire spawning system. The way spawns work now is very flawed an leads to an artificially high number of kills/deaths across the board of the entire game.

All of us here have been spawn-killed many times. DICE may think the randomness makes it legitimate, but its a bad implmentation for a combat game where there are so many ways to die.

Every map has structures all over it - for many years other FPS games have allowed interior spawning. Even if the spawn building is camped, you could at least get your bearings and defend yourself.