The Chinese/MEC helicopters PWN blackhawks...

[imported_xRandoMx]

One other aspect of the miniguns that I hate is that you don't need to see your target at all. Since a) they shoot through things like corugated metal, etc., and b) the gunner gets the hit indicator if he lands a round, they have no problem killing infantry that should otherwise be effectively hidden from sight.

Just spray the wall from one end to another, and then pummel any spot you got a hit indicator. cheap. :-)

[cspar]

Hmm.. yes well I can see how it's funny and it does make for some interesting game play, but dont you think it takes away from the game? If everyone only rammed each other all the time, or suicided, it would just get old and pointless to play IMO. I thin kalot of us want to get the reslistic yet arcade style fun. Who would want to fly, and what would be the point of air transports if everyone rams? I dunno, maybe I'm wrong here, but it's not for me.

[imported_xRandoMx]

Hmm.. yes well I can see how it's funny and it does make for some interesting game play, but dont you think it takes away from the game? If everyone only rammed each other all the time, or suicided, it would just get old and pointless to play IMO. I thin kalot of us want to get the reslistic yet arcade style fun. Who would want to fly, and what would be the point of air transports if everyone rams? I dunno, maybe I'm wrong here, but it's not for me.

The same can be said for blackhawk whoring. If the other side is just gonna bounce from flag to flag in an invincible blackhawk, where is the fun?

Ramming is never my first option. On the other hand, if it is one pilot vs. a full blackhawk and you've got a sure ram, you'd be kind of stupid to not take it. 1 death vs. 6 kills. Seems highly effective play to me.

[monkton]

yeah - maybe helicopters ramming helicopters isn't so bad - especially when the pilot's tried everything and it's a lost cause - then take the sacrifice for the team (and the points). When it comes to jets crashing into choppers, though, it kind of sticks in my craw. i definitely wouldn't say it's ban- or kick-worthy, though.

[imported_xRandoMx]

yeah - maybe helicopters ramming helicopters isn't so bad - especially when the pilot's tried everything and it's a lost cause - then take the sacrifice for the team (and the points). When it comes to jets crashing into choppers, though, it kind of sticks in my craw. i definitely wouldn't say it's ban- or kick-worthy, though.

I always say in global chat, "Uh Beavis, you know that jet comes equipped with missiles, guns and bombs?".

[Bob_the_Insane]

I have to agree that this is all about fun...

I have only one issue with all this ramming that that is the screwed up way the TK system works... If someone is flying a chopper and get s rammed and then promptly kicked and banned through no fault of their own you can guarentee that they are not having much fun...

[ZeroPower]

cheap, but im gonna give it a go!

[imported_xRandoMx]

I have to agree that this is all about fun...

I have only one issue with all this ramming that that is the screwed up way the TK system works... If someone is flying a chopper and get s rammed and then promptly kicked and banned through no fault of their own you can guarentee that they are not having much fun...

He only gets banned if his teammates punish him, you know...

[imported_Pharacon]

i have never been forced to ram BH's to get rid of them, normally i go assault wait at a flag for them to come then when they are coming in get the gren launch and hit the BH just below the pilot seat and bammo the pilot dies, BH nose dives and 5 kills! or if someone is wise enough to jump to the pilot seat i get to see the funny comedy of him trying to recover and then smashing into a tree/building hehe great fun :)

But i will try this to get my explosive ribbon :) i would have to kill the BH 3 times

Ohh yeah i'm quite a good chopper pilot too its just as easy to dodge if your pasasangers are looking and they have voice comm :) plus if your gunners are good they can shoot the pilot out of his seat, the high caliber weapons on all choppers can go thru glass.. or at least the BH can. I personally think they need to nerf the BH's area of affect on the mini's or add explosive bullets to the other choppers...

[Forceman130]

He only gets banned if his teammates punish him, you know...

Not true - you get some minus points even if you don't get punished, and bans work on total TKs, not just on punished ones. I know - I've been the pilot of the blackhawk that had that happen and I got kicked immediately following the crash - no time delay whatsoever, just crash-kick.

If you time it right with a plane you can bail out just before the crash.

[cspar]

hmm..much to think about here. It's good that we can have this discussion and no one is saying "you're an idiot!" heheh.

Well, you're right. You shouldnt be able to flag whore with a BH or any chopper. Nor do I think you should be able to spawn into a heli. You should have to pick up any new ppl, and drop off anyone to grab a flag. Still, if the damage was worked out better, you could easily shoot down that chopper while they hover to take a flag.

The point of the heli is you can stop, move, drop off, etc but are very slow and there for easy targets. Planes are fast and less manuverable, yet pack a good punch. The trade offs balance game play. If you have everyone ramming into each other, IMO, it takes that balance out.

I'm against ramming, but I realise this is part of the game. You can do it in real life, so why not here? Still, it's lame IMO becuase like the previous post, you have guns and rockets for a reason. Use them. It takes no skill to ram, and there's no real penalty for it. I think if you can ram, then there should be a good penalty for this. Maybe longer spawn time? Or is this already part of the game? I'm not sure.

I guess any game will have somethings ya like and others you dont. I'll keep playing cause I love the game.

[imported_xRandoMx]

The only thing I think is exceedingly wrong with the blackhawk is the three engineers in the back doing magic in-flight repairs. The miniguns just exacerbate the core problem.

You put a squadleader medic/pilot in front, supplies on the guns, and engineers everywhere else, the thing never has to return to base for repairs, rearmament, or more personnel.

[cspar]

I see that more and more these days. Not sure why EA put that into the game. Seems unbalanced to me. It's odd enough that some one can fix a vehicle's damage in a few seconds anyway, but it is arcade style. Older versions you had to land, and the engineer could jump out and fix the heli. That was fine to me and fair for game game play.