Why does everyone hate on the voss

[Quemical]

I said this awhile ago, change the description of the Voss and it would be fine. It is not a light assault rifle

I've been saying that for a long time, nice to see someone else agreeing with me.

The Voss was a light assault riffle before 1.05 hit. I just love how voss users can never seem to admit that the voss is ridiculously overpowered. They always make it seem it's the hardest weapon to use. I can care less who uses it, just admit that it's stronger than it should be.

[Raidyr]

I've been saying that for a long time, nice to see someone else agreeing with me.

The Voss was a light assault riffle before 1.05 hit. I just love how voss users can never seem to admit that the voss is ridiculously overpowered. They always make it seem it's the hardest weapon to use. I can care less who uses it, just admit that it's stronger than it should be.

You hit the nail on the head and then some. Thank YOU for agreeing with me. When 1.05 increased the accuracy (or something related to the accuracy, I forget now :dead:), it changed all the assault rifles. For the SCAR/Krylov, this made them better, and they are now balanced. The Baur got a huge accuracy buff, and you can snipe with it. Meanwhile, the Voss, along with its close-quarters strength, acquired decent long-range abilities.

Just to clarify: I dont hate Voss users. I dont think they have no skill. I dont mind what weapon you use. But dont think for a second that the game is 100% perfectly balanced. I ask you heavy Voss users who look at us as noobs just bitching about your favorite weapon, to just step back and look at the numbers.

[Biotech2142]

Personally I don't hate Voss but I find unfair when it can rape in CQC without much effort while Clark shotgun require timed precision and open mind of shell count before reload or not vs # of enemies and their distance around you.

[TheLeper]

.. because everyone insists on making repetitive threads about it.

[blank1]

Been there done that. If you are going to be so stupid to assume I suck at the game, and therefore don't like ONE weapon in it, then fine. However, I should tell you you are wrong. I consider myself a fairly average player.

Sorry for the disappointment, try harder next time kiddo! :nod:

You're ability to cognitively form a proper argument in opposition to another leaves a bit to be desired. First of all, I said "aren't that great," which you then support by saying that you are fairly average. "Aren't that great" was not a hyperbole. What I was saying is that since you are not more than an average player (and I am not assuming, accuse me of stalking if you will, but I have played against you quite a few times, assuming your forum name and in-game names are similar), that your incessant Voss crying should not be given much thought. It actually isn't in general as I've noticed.

I love how people try to silence others by being condescending, e.x. "Sorry for the disappointment, try harder next time kiddo." It only makes it look like you have a serious inferiority complex (key word "makes it look," please understand this is not ad hominem. You are simply annoying. That was ad hominem.)

Also, patch 1.05's AR fix was desperately needed. Do you guys even remember the moaning about the LMG's? The AR fix made it so the rifles could burst fire accurately. Before, they could not burst fire and hit anything.

[Raidyr]

You're ability to cognitively form a proper argument in opposition to another leaves a bit to be desired. First of all, I said "aren't that great," which you then support by saying that you are fairly average. "Aren't that great" was not a hyperbole. What I was saying is that since you are not more than an average player (and I am not assuming, accuse me of stalking if you will, but I have played against you quite a few times, assuming your forum name and in-game names are similar), that your incessant Voss crying should not be given much thought. It actually isn't in general as I've noticed.

I love how people try to silence others by being condescending, e.x. "Sorry for the disappointment, try harder next time kiddo." It only makes it look like you have a serious inferiority complex (key word "makes it look," please understand this is not ad hominem. You are simply annoying. That was ad hominem.)

Also, patch 1.05's AR fix was desperately needed. Do you guys even remember the moaning about the LMG's? The AR fix made it so the rifles could burst fire accurately. Before, they could not burst fire and hit anything.

Troll more plz.

Ok, so you have played with me, or against me. I have my off days, my average days, and my amazing days. I feel I am at the same tier as the majority of the players in the game, therefore, I feel I have an equal opinion about things in the game.

And to answer the one bit of argument that resembles viability, I even said the assault rifles needed a boost. However, the Baur and Voss were fine at what they are. Sick of repeating myself, but I guess I gotta say it again: The Baur became a veritable DMR, while the Voss became the "all-arounder" rifle.

Try again. There. I didnt say kiddo.

EDIT: Funny you mention LMGs. seeing as how that was a busted patch too. Look at how many people use the Ganz/Clark vs standard LMGs now. There was no need to buff the Baur/Voss, nerf the LMGs. I do agree that the original assault rifles needed the accuracy boost.

Further edit: If you expect me not to be a **** when I am presenting an argument from a third party perspective, after playing for awhile, and you come in here and say I am bad at the game, sorry. Its just uncalled for. Maybe you should be the one looking at YOUR maturity. Just looked at your stats, you have a better KDR than me. But really, who has more experience with the game? The guy who has all the unlocks, twice as many hours, and plays almost every class, or the guy who plays Assault and can get a lot of kills?

[wenZECA]

Everyones turning this into a voss-hate thread when it was originally a krylov hate thread lulz

[.reZ- ViolatorX]

Yeah back on topic, I find being 1 shotted by a krylov more annoying... But in all honestly all of the guns are more than adequate to kill in this game, The 1.40 patch to the shottie is needed though imo esp with its odd hit and miss 1hit kill system.....

Only thing I hate is people who use rdx macros....

[blank1]

Troll more plz.

I wasn't in the first place.

Ok, so you have played with me, or against me. I have my off days, my average days, and my amazing days. I feel I am at the same tier as the majority of the players in the game, therefore, I feel I have an equal opinion about things in the game.

Most players in the game use the Voss full time or when they are assault, and most don't hate the fact that they do. So, actually, I think you're in the minority.

And to answer the one bit of argument that resembles viability, I even said the assault rifles needed a boost. However, the Baur and Voss were fine at what they are. Sick of repeating myself, but I guess I gotta say it again: The Baur became a veritable DMR, while the Voss became the "all-arounder" rifle.

The Baur nor Voss could burst fire accurately before 1.05. Accurate is a relative statement, but an LMG would basically win in any instance against an AR except at close range, because the AR's (all of them) accuracy versus how accurate the LMG's get at "x" speed was crap. The LMG's were fine, the AR's needed a boost. When you nerf things a lot, you get BF2. No me gusta. The Voss is not an "all-arounder" rifle either. Check your stock weapons for that.

Try again. There. I didnt say kiddo.

Yet you defeated to purpose of your entire statement with another line that attempts to belittle me? Did you pass 3rd grade language comprehension?

EDIT: Funny you mention LMGs. seeing as how that was a busted patch too. Look at how many people use the Ganz/Clark vs standard LMGs now. There was no need to buff the Baur/Voss, nerf the LMGs. I do agree that the original assault rifles needed the accuracy boost.

The Ganz is supposed to be the premier support weapon, to which it states (or something like that) in its weapon description. I fail to understand how any of this is relevant.

Further edit: If you expect me not to be a **** when I am presenting an argument from a third party perspective, after playing for awhile, and you come in here and say I am bad at the game, sorry. Its just uncalled for. Maybe you should be the one looking at YOUR maturity. Just looked at your stats, you have a better KDR than me. But really, who has more experience with the game? The guy who has all the unlocks, twice as many hours, and plays almost every class, or the guy who plays Assault and can get a lot of kills?

I never accused you anything other than not being able to comprehend written words very well or play BF2142 very well. I don't know what the heck you're going on here, when did I state that I expected you to be a ****? I don't think I even inferred that I cared. I never said you were bad at the game. I said you're not great. There is a difference -- one you apparently failed to grasp. I think it's a better indicator of your maturity that you fabricate this paragraph to attack some sort of thing I never said... good one hotshot. Kleenex thanks you for your business, btw. Yeah, I don't care much about how you feel about me btw, so call me immature all you want.

Blank1 is not the toon that I play. Blank1's stats are similar in K-D, SPM, and other things to my current toon, but blank1 is actually deleted from my character selection. I'm a Brig Gen and top 50 Baur user. I've played this game from the day it's come out. I have only 20 days of play time, but I work full time and go to school full time. Please, do not compare stats with me at all because it will be totally fruitless... you with your 4 days of play time and K-D of 1. lol.

[D3lit3]

On topic now that we have gotten past the nonsense, the Krylov is fine. You are merely experiencing a placebo effect of sorts. Look at the stats on it. Then go look at the Voss stats. While the Voss retains much of the range of the Krylov, it also has higher rate of fire, larger magazine, and is an overall better gun in 9/10 situations.

'Nuff said. Nerf the Voss. I mean look at the damn stats of the top 100 players. 80 players out of the top 100 have the Voss as their Favorite Weapon.

Example: http://2142-stats.com/Rogu3granny+stats.html

[5TAK3D]

The best thing about pro-Voss posts? Any time you go off and check the stats of the person, you almost always find their Voss stat will be far, far higher than any other K/D ratio. You can find complete brain dead morons and 99% of the time they'll turn out to have the same thing. The Voss is notorious because it *is* a complete mess statwise and every moron knows it. I refuse to use it personally, just as I refuse to use the RDX or APM. Cheap weapons for cheap people.
Hell with it, my stats may be far from superb but getting a decent kill rate out of the Engineer SMG or any non-cheap weapon feels much more satisfying and will continue to make me much more proud of every kill. To outgun someone with a far inferior weapon takes far more control, accuracy and skill than any Vosswhore will ever know.
(OT: It was an honour to serve alongside BallaAce the other day. A genuinely skilled player.)

[Raidyr]

I refuse to use it personally, just as I refuse to use the RDX or APM. Cheap weapons for cheap people.

I dont use the Voss because the game becomes way too simple. If I am assault, I will always have my Baur and defib.

Blank, I aint going to argue with you anymore. If you are going to completely bypass logic, fine, but dont get me involved. I have said I agree about the Assault rifles, still you argue. If you cant use the Voss as an all-around assault rifle, maybe you shouldnt be saying I suck, mkay? Sorry if I hurt your feelings by saying "Try again kiddo", didnt know you would take it so harshly. All you have said thus far is that I suck at the game, and that you are the master of all things involved with it.

But what the hell, I will dissect your post, AGAIN, because it is too easy :\

You did troll. We are having a (mostly) mature conversation about the Voss and you have to leap in and say that anyone who complains about it instantly sucks at the game. People like you are the reasons others dislike these threads.

You contradicted yourself. First you said the assault rifles are supposed to be all-arounders, which is true, then you said the Ganz is instantly supposed to be better than either of the 2 stock LMGs, which it isnt. The Ganz, is a more defensive based, longer ranged HMG, while the LMGs are supposed to be beefier assault rifles with worse accuracy.

When I said I am in the majority, you again missed the point. Of course the majority likes the Voss, thats my whole ****ing argument. However, I meant I was in the majority of the skill tiers, the average players.

And like I said, what, twice now, I agree about the stock assault rifles. Stop bringing it up already.

I wont say try again, because god knows how you would react.

[FPS[SONIC]]

Fictional game in a fictional scenario with fictional weapons...

In the real world, one would be stupid not to pick a weapon which puts down the enemy with ease. Why should it be different here in Battlefield 2142?

Of course people use the Voss. It works very well. Get over it and move on.

No, I'm not a Voss user, I prefer to use the Baur. But, there are times I use the Voss and I'm pleased to do so. It's a game and you're supposed to have fun!


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[vanilla]

^ What that dude said.

[Raidyr]

Fictional game in a fictional scenario with fictional weapons...

In the real world, one would be stupid not to pick a weapon which puts down the enemy with ease. Why should it be different here in Battlefield 2142?

Of course people use the Voss. It works very well. Get over it and move on.

No, I'm not a Voss user, I prefer to use the Baur. But, there are times I use the Voss and I'm pleased to do so. It's a game and you're supposed to have fun!


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That logic is just as bad as the idiots who want to nerf everything. Except instead of all the weapons doing no damage, all the weapons kill in 1 hit, have infinite ammo, and unlimited range. Because remember, its teh futar!1