Infantry....Infantry...Infantry ARGGGGHHH

[Zarious]

I'm not a big fan of conquest (I'm a titan whore), so I had never played the full size version of Verdun in conquest, until about 2 weeks ago. HOLY ****. I'm a full time engie, and I thought I had died and went to vehicle killer heaven. I've got a screenshot some where of being surrounded by 4 tanks and 2 walkers. I killed 2 of the tanks with a pilum (gotta love the weak spot on the back of the tiger turret) and 1 of the walkers with MM's. I love that map, but haven't been able to find any other servers playing it Maps like that could give my love of titan mode a run for it's money.

[MrChris_CJ]

i sort of nailed your post on because as i pointed out vehicles are not invincible, any infantry squad has more than enough tools do deal with anything, this game isnt like bf2 where if you were infantry you were destined to be pummelled by a plane or tank...In 2142 the armour can arrive but that doesnt necessarily mean the end of the infantry, if support guys want to sit in the middle of the road and spray their shukos at the feet of the walker, then thats their own fault

altho i suppose getting nailed by any vehicle depends on the circumstances, hell it depends on a lot of things

Armour lover is sort of the wrong term, is variety wrong? Sure there are some armour whores out there but they arent as powerful as in bf2 like i said, but luckily as you pointed out Tampa shall provide a more classical 1942 experience, its just a shame its so hard to find these days

I'm not a big fan of conquest (I'm a titan whore), so I had never played the full size version of Verdun in conquest, until about 2 weeks ago. HOLY ****. I'm a full time engie, and I thought I had died and went to vehicle killer heaven. I've got a screenshot some where of being surrounded by 4 tanks and 2 walkers. I killed 2 of the tanks with a pilum (gotta love the weak spot on the back of the tiger turret) and 1 of the walkers with MM's. I love that map, but haven't been able to find any other servers playing it Maps like that could give my love of titan mode a run for it's money.

it is great, it makes a welcome refreshment to go out in a tank and just slug it out with armour while capping flags, and the sheer number of vehicles just makes it stupidly fun

[Bommando]

There really aren't many combined arms servers, especially in the top 30.

We usually run 2 inf, 1 vehicle map and include every map in the rotation except for Minsk.

You'll find the server populated during Euro times. Be sure to read the Tactical Gamer Server FAQ so you know what to expect.

[Ghost 1800]

Uh huh...and compared to how many times you take it up the rear from the EU, how often would you say that is?

~Wolfgang

A little more then half :p

[Trippet]

Good thing there's something for everybody in this game! Don't like city maps? Don't play 'em. Don't like armor-fests? Stay away from 64-man Verdun. Neither is right or wrong, it's "to each their own".

How can it be bull$#!t to state a preference?

[Digital-Boy]

Good thing there's something for everybody in this game! Don't like city maps? Don't play 'em. Don't like armor-fests? Stay away from 64-man Verdun. Neither is right or wrong, it's "to each their own".

Maybe, but trying to find a well-populated server with "good" map rotations is an excerise in patience. I could close my eyes and pick a Gibraltar server from the server list; and half of those would be 24/7.

[Trippet]

Maybe, but trying to find a well-populated server with "good" map rotations is an excerise in patience. I could close my eyes and pick a Gibraltar server from the server list; and half of those would be 24/7.

Point taken, and it's hard to argue with the folks who maintain that city maps are more popular based on the sheer number of servers that are out there playing 24/7 Gib/Cerbere/Berlin or some variation. But good/more complete rotations are still out there. This one mixes all maps (in fact, right at this moment it's on Verdun Conquest), and this one alternates between city & Titan (so no big-armor Conquest, but enough to get an armor fix). Both of those are in my faves and I typically play on one of them if I'm not joining on a buddy wherever they're playing.

What I'd REALLYREALLYREALLY like to see is some way for players to get at least some indication of the rotation on a server beyond just "what mode/map is it playing right this instant?" The mode/map coming up next would be excellent (the "on-deck circle" as it were), but a complete list in the "Information" screen of the rotation including order and position in the sequence would be flat-out AWESOME. That way every BF2142 player in the world would have MORE control over which rounds they play, which can only = more fun for each individual player. With more information come better decisions and more likelihood of Win-Win situations for all.

[Vreki]

Armour lover is sort of the wrong term, is variety wrong?

I specifically avoided "Armour Whore" because I wanted to sound neutral.
There's is just no pleasing you lot

Sure there are some armour whores out there but they arent as powerful as in bf2 like i said, but luckily as you pointed out Tampa shall provide a more classical 1942 experience, its just a shame its so hard to find these days

it is great, it makes a welcome refreshment to go out in a tank and just slug it out with armour while capping flags, and the sheer number of vehicles just makes it stupidly fun

I like using Armour, but it has far to much of a presence on larger city maps. Especially considering that these maps traditionally attracts the players who wish to engage in infantry combat, and has little use for the armour.

Tampa is great because there is armour for everybody who wants it. If you play Tampa its because you like vehicles
So in my definition:

• Armour lover: Mainly uses Armour against Armour on maps where vehicles are plenty.
• Armour whore: Mainly uses Armour against Infantry on city maps

Maybe, but trying to find a well-populated server with "good" map rotations is an excerise in patience. I could close my eyes and pick a Gibraltar server from the server list; and half of those would be 24/7.

Thats an illusion.
I have just as much problems finding a populated, not full, FF on server running medium city maps without any obvious ROC breach
There might be a bit more City servers, but there are also more players seeking them out.
Supply and demand etc.

[nemesis908]

Firstly you went wrong by comparing bf to real life, battles havent always been fought with vehicles you are correct but BATTLEFIELD was a game originally designed for mass infantry and vehicular combat, or was i missing the point when anti vehicle and anti infantry classes were put into the game

A bunch of vehicle whores? So everyone who jumps into a vehicle instantly becomes a whore? So I can then call CampG fanboys infantry whores! weeeee, hell alot of people will only even play these maps because they know high points are gauranteed. The point you seem to be missing that unlike in Battlefield 2 where VEHICLES = GOD OVER EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING, this is not the case in 2142, you have a multitude of classes to counter vehicles, support can emp nade and disable while someone jumps on a railgun, a recon can rdx any vehicle into orbit and an engineer? Its never been so easy to destroy a vehicle, an anti vehicle rifle only detectable by a quiet sound or seeing it fired, awesome motion mines, missile launchers that can lay waste to air and ground. Vehicles are for all intensive purposes weak compared to past Battlefield games in terms of what they can come up against.

But no dont let me interrupt your squad as you pod down, shoot some infantry in the "True Bf style", because if people truly lack the skill, willpower or genuine brains to simply click engineer, recon whatever, jump on a railgun or work out some way of destroying said tank then something is seriously wrong with the playerbase (knew that already though), hell the commander can mow a walker with about 4 clicks of his mouse. You might prefer to play on IO maps and yes a lot of people do, but a lot of people DONT, i told you from the start that this was my own opinion but generalising vehicles because theyre the only thing that can ruin your bright infantry fuelled day is either laziness or ignorance.


Now for some random theoretical ball**** that i just thought up (honest)
The nature of the battlefield is a balance that shifts across the map, the objective being to capture different flags, in infantry the round quickly turns into a slaughterfest at one specific point with concentrated combat and i agree this is fun some of the time but more often i find that it descends into a tedious process of repetition, like firing the voss, pk rockets, chucking nades, chucking medhubs. With Armour you have another option, that squad who constantly res eachother no matter how many times you mow them will get totally raped by a piece of armour forcing them to change and react, vehicles are your option to actually change gameplay, to end the stalemate, i dont want to play a map and sit in one corner shooting people, it just reminds me of the dire netcode and hitreg, i can wheel in a tank or a walker and mow every mother****er in site and thats fun. I want to feel part of the battlefield, look out across the map and see a real large scale battle taking place and for the efforts of my team to actually matter, not simply throwing all my efforts into gaining a few metres of ground while fighting a mass of 30 odd assault or support guys laying waste to a tiny patch of land...

Vreki does have a point about combined power, but that should be true in any situation, an organised suqad of infantry will mow any group of lonely disjointed lone wolves, if a team can create an armour column then the other team should take it out, it isnt hard, or they can make their own, the effective counter is there and on conquest maps theres more than enough armour and engineers to keep an even playing field.

Infantry maps are fun yes, for me not all the time, i like playing them once in a while, im not advocating that theyre wrong, i am just saying that the simple saturation of every server with infantry gameplay is wrong imo and gets boring fast...

Unnecessary amount of text!!!

...yes an actual BATTLEFIELD, that means vehicles of all manner and not just some god awful squad of guys spawning on some rooftops and holding down fire on grenade

You compared it to a real life battlefield, that's where my comparison comes in. Whether or not you meant to is another issue.

When i spoke of vehicle users as being "vehicle whores" it was in retaliation to the generalisation of squads and IO combat as being "god awful".

What i dont like about vehicle intensive maps, is that i hate being killed because i have no way to combat a tank if i'm using an assault load-out (Unless there's a Rorsch handy).

Yeah you can counter Tanks/APCs/Walkers etc with the Engineer class. But first it requires that you're killed by a vehicle just so you can respawn with the Engineer kit and run all the way back, then once the vehicle is down you have **** AI weaponry. Or it requires you spawn with the Engineer kit and stick with it throughout the game.

It's not a matter of "not having the brains", i would simply rather have a kit equipped to deal with the most fun issue of the game i.e. Infantry Combat.

To me when playing maps with vehicles, the vehicles are an annoyance, that interrupt every good infantry battle.

Also getting kills in vehicles isnt manly.

[Trippet]

Yeah you can counter Tanks/APCs/Walkers etc with the Engineer class. But first it requires that you're killed by a vehicle just so you can respawn with the Engineer kit and run all the way back, then once the vehicle is down you have **** AI weaponry. Or it requires you spawn with the Engineer kit and stick with it throughout the game.

Oooooh, idea! How about the ability to switch kits from a Commander-dropped supply crate, rather than only from dead guys' packs? Maybe make it so you have to stand there, vulnerable, for 10 or 15 seconds (sorta like a respawn but without the death/run back)?

[RichardDawkins]

ive already posted this but i'll do it again just for the sake of anyone who doesn't read posts: 2esurrection UK is a conquest server that plays all the vehicle maps

enjoy

[ExTeenageRebel]

Yeah you can counter Tanks/APCs/Walkers etc with the Engineer class. But first it requires that you're killed by a vehicle just so you can respawn with the Engineer kit and run all the way back, then once the vehicle is down you have **** AI weaponry. Or it requires you spawn with the Engineer kit and stick with it throughout the game.

It's not a matter of "not having the brains", i would simply rather have a kit equipped to deal with the most fun issue of the game i.e. Infantry Combat.

I spend most of my time on infantry only maps and it's kind of funny if you notice how long a walker can stay alive on Camp G because NO ONE wants to spawn as an engineer. In fact I was one of them up until recently...Engineer unlocks has been the last tree I chose, I did the Pilum tree first and I'm at the point now where I can use motion mines with a squad unlock reward. So now, I can finally spawn, kill the damn thing and then pick up some dead guys kit (if it wasn't a suicide run) because there's no way in hell I'm gonna run around with a crappy SMG.

That's another thing I've gotten spoiled on as with being a "clarkian" lately and having unlimited ammo, when I do run as a medic, recon or engy and run out of ammo, it's friggen frustrating. It's forced me to really utilize kit switching on the fly.

[MrChris_CJ]

ive already posted this but i'll do it again just for the sake of anyone who doesn't read posts: 2esurrection UK is a conquest server that plays all the vehicle maps

enjoy

you got the ip, game monitor wont load for some reason cheers

[nemesis908]

I know what you mean about Camp.G, it's my most played map and it really used to piss me off when some bollockless idiot got in the Walker. About mid-way/towards the end of my time on 2142 whenever i played that map, i would start as an Engineer and rig the place with Motion mines and EMP mines.

My favourite Vehicle is the FAV, and i really dont mind them on Infantry maps, because they leave the driver vulnerable, they're handy, and uber fun.

[Digital-Boy]

This is one of a handful of things I dislike about Camp Gibraltar. No one wants to play engineer (except maybe to lay down mines at the beginning to prevent UAZ rushes), so the walkers have the potential to run amok. On other maps, people are more inclined to play engineer, so even though there are 5 times as many vehicles, there's usually someone there to attack them.