Shogun Total War 2!

[MrChris_CJ]

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nah I never sack, just capture a settlement or so, or start burning some towns etc, if you can obliterate an enemy stack (army) then they will soon think twice about staying in a war with you

haha yeh have had to do that a few times, it can actually cause a rebellion! I chose not to make one of my generals do it once and it got me dishonour and something like -50 diplomatic relations for 8 turns ha

[Infernalis]

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Just began the game since two days, I took the Shimazu clan and it was pretty easy until the "realm divide of doom" kick in. I have 2 full stack, 3 full trade node (8 tradeboat per node) and I'm quite sure I can repel any invaders and bleed the coalition armies but it sound like a mindless fighting now. I think I'll start a new game with another clan and go power economy from the beginning and focus on diplomacy.

There's some strange thing though, like a former allied clan with only one town for a long time, it was a weak clan but now they're against me suddenly they gained a stack full of über veterans (5 chevrons+), what the heck?!

[CptainCrunch]

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I beat a clan that was invading and now there is a trophy on the map. I dont know what the deal is with that.

Another cool thing I saw was I was attacking a castle and it had a steep side. So I put my archers all around for cover fire and sent some yaris up that side. After a while, they started falling to their deaths! They would crash into another one or two and take them with them. There was a litter of bodies below and I lost about 30 or so men during that climb. They even screamed to their deaths.

Fortunatly, I still took the castle, so those lives were not in vain.

Crunch

[Infernalis]

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I defeated the veteran army (can't remember the name's clan, a blue H on a white flag) and sabotaged their town and they only had one market, how could they recruit a stack of veteran samourais/yaris (exp 6! Same for their Daimyo!) without the necessary infrastructure or battles? I smell cheating from the AI, I don't like when the developers resort to that, I just hope there's not a bunch of others stack of doom.

Yeah I saw the trophy too (heroic victory?), I think it's a nice thing, more realistic.

[MrChris_CJ]

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if you get a heroic victory you sometimes get the statue on the campaign map

have another shimazu campaign going, captured the black ship wahahahha

captured Kyoto, but other than that only have me home island and 2 other regions, so I didn't get realm divide from lots of land, moreso invading the home city of the shogun haha, the city is basically constantly under siege lol

thank god for me hero katana samurai and hero bow samurai hehe

[Infernalis]

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I didn't saw the black ship, I read you probably need a naban port, which I don't have since I don't want to screw with religion. You captured it with how many boats, I heard the ship is really powerful.

How do you build the hero katana? You need to upgrade schools?

[Rambo]

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Ok im offically bored and disapointed in how short and repetative STW is .

CA is going down hill since NTW,console style lol.

[CptainCrunch]

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Ok im offically bored and disapointed in how short and repetative BF3 is .

EA is going down hill since BF2,console style lol.

There! Now you are ready for BF3 :wee:

There is nothing console style about the TW series. The game has never been on a console and the game has more options and decision making than any of the other TW games. Yes, if you played one TW, you know how the game is going to be. How different did you think it was going to be?

As for the trophy on the map. Ive had many heroic victories and no trophies on them. It is nice and all, just wish I knew how they come about.

Crunch

[Infernalis]

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Yeah diplomacy actually works in this one, until the realm divide come. After I finish my first campaign I'm going to download a mod to lessen the effect of realm divide and stop the AI from spawning full stack of veterans out of thin air.

[MrChris_CJ]

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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=436082

theres a realm divide mod that I know about, bet there are more at twcenter

shogun 2 short and repetitive? :o

but yeh the trophies don't always come up, must have to be some sort of uber heroic victory, I have a few on the map currently

the black ship is one tough mother****er, I can literally take on entire enemy fleets with just the one ship, and its sort of random when it shows up in the campaign, the first campaign I played, I got the message about it sailing around within the first 20-30 turns, my latest campaign it was 1580ish before I saw it ha

I threw a few fleets at it originally, but got destroyed (didn't have drydocks so no cannon bunes etc) I did weaken it a hell of a lot though and the pesky hatana captured it, so I basically left it alone as I traded with them

alas when I took Kyoto, they got mad at me and I managed to capture it in a pretty epic battle by spamming it with fire arrows and laying out a very nice minefield for it to sail into hehehe

now I rule the waves

oh and some nice eye candy

the nihon maru (big ship you can recruit when you are shogun) ablaze!

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/577792446737987557/A1F7DD79BB4B48E28DAC4BAF0A50311F6E3A4719/

oh yeh and as for hero units, which even though they only have 40 men in a formation still OWN, seriously bow heros killing 400+ guys, katana heroes killing 200+ guys with 1-2 casualties ha, you got to research to the very high levels and get the highest type of the building (there are no cavalry heroes mind) then you can recruit them

[Infernalis]

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I restarted a campaign, the realm divide pretty much own you the first time when you do'nt know, I had all trade nodes, each at full capacity except the far eastern one with only 2 trade boats, I had like 15k turns and yet all the swarming managed to kill me. I was in 1560, I think I could have won if the Sagara didn't suddenly betrayed me.

Now I will build every money making buildings possible, take all nodes right away and max them, not take too much settlements and then blitz to Kyoto with 4-5 stacks at once. Oh and wipe Sagara as soon as possible and won't rely on diplomacy.

[MrChris_CJ]

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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=437591

hehe a darthmod, will have to try it at some point, vanilla Shogun 2 is great though so not in a rush

yeh massive swarms of enemy stacks are hard work, in my first campaign I had to quickly make another stack then won some absolutely epic battles and siege defences, it reached a point though where I broke the back of the enemy resistance, destroyed their main stacks etc and basically kept pushing before they had time to reinforce, once you get east of Kyoto there are typically some nicely upgraded castles and its easier to defend, the north and south routes are by the sea and easy to defend cos of the mountains, while there is a small central mountain pass through the middle

going west there are some good castles by the coastline that make defense of kyoto a lot easier, you can pretty much block access with two castles, one on the north and south coastline

naval invasions get tricky though so you always need naval cover

[CptainCrunch]

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When does the divide happen? Like at 30 captured areas?

Also, Ive kinda locked myself in and I need a way to attack an "ally" without losing honor. We only have a trade agreement. How can I do this? I dont think I can cancel the agreement and then declare war. Pretty sure thats a no-no.

Crunch

[Infernalis]

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Actually I had 2 naval armies both full, and 2 full stacks + some strong garrisons at chokepoints, I wasn't really losing but with my ninja I saw I had like 4-5 stacks going on me (and some stacks of uber veterans -_-), Sagara suddenly betrayed me with a full stack (as expected when you don't give them money even though you're ally since the dawn of time and made 3-4 wars with them) and a full stack army going by sea managed to land after I destroyed all their fleet except a fleeing kobaya thing boat (the little boat with 30 archers and 5 fighters) with 6 archers and 1 fighter (1000+ guys on a little boat)... So I said screw that, I will start anew.

For now it's going well, except some things I screwed... I upgraded all my castles and markets but didn't saw it takes food! I was like wtf, I have to quickly research farm+. Ok it takes... 4 turns to research and 5 to build! My only option was to rush to others settlements for their food, so I allied with Sagara and made them break their alliance with Shoni (Sagara have a full stack from the beginning, couldn't attack them), rushed to Shoni, declared war (-50 diplomacy for violation of treaties yay), took all their settlements, crushed all the rebels spawning, managed to survive and build farm+ (1950 gold) everywhere.

Now my diplomacy is **** (from -70 to -40 except 2-3 clans) but I managed to gain some trade agreements by paying some clans since I earn 9k per turn and have 30k in bank but Sagara is a pain in the ass, I have to take their settlement soon enough to complete the objective, I think when I'll have some 4-5 full stacks I'll swarm them before proceeding further.

As for mods I downloaded this one and the one that lessen the realm divide effect (-60 instead of -200), it's stupid that long time ally with 150+ suddenly betray you. I don't have the strengh to fight some everyone again with the same clan in the exact same way. After this campaign I will take the peasant master clan, I read it's quite fun (swarms of ashigarus with 15 moral).

When does the divide happen? Like at 30 captured areas?

Check the yellow bar in your clan tab, when it's full it happens. It's like 18 settlements in short campaign.

[MrChris_CJ]

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Im still getting sieged at Kyoto ha, its the only region I have in the area so gonna have to be capturing more land soon ha

as for getting into war with an ally, is a tricky one, could always look at who they dislike/are at war with and work it from that angle (build alliances with people they hate, cause wars etc)

or try getting people to attack them to destroy them

I like causing revolts at the moment, pity there aren't a lot of christians to incite. Is gonna be fun when I start a campaign and convert to christianity