The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

[R.M.S.1.3]

Inspired by "The hard facts about bf2 Aiming Reticule" by Verzili in the BF2 tips&tricks forum

Often I find myself in a situation where, despite aiming perfectly, every shot fired misses. After playing about with the guns, I found out that the ironsights are not all lined up correctly. With some of the guns, you would end up firing over someone's head at a distance, even though your sights were dead on center-mass. This gives the feeling that some guns just don't register hits, or that you're "firing blanks".

You can test this out yourself. Get a misaligned gun like the G3 and aim it as pictured (Atacama Desert, US Spawn, next to the AA cannon), fire once and note where your bullet hits. It's clearly not where the front sight is.


^If you aimed exactly at that spot, your bullet would hit the very top edge of the roof.


Important things to keep in mind when looking at these screenshots:

• Every gun, when sighted in, sways. The tip of the front post moves in a circular or slightly figure-8 pattern. These screenshots were taken with the front post at the highest point of sway, thus putting the 3D ironsights closer to the true center, where the bullet comes from.
  
• The crosshair I have overlaid is a portion of the GOL Sniper Magnum's scope which i cropped and colored in photoshop. The center of the cross is black to show a more accurate "true center". It is not a hack, overlay, or cheat of any kind. I do not see the crosshair ingame.
  
• The screenshots were cropped and enlarged 2x.
  
• In my opinion, the ironsights aren't misaligned to compensate for bullet drop. One reason I believe this is that the bullet drop is not dramatic enough at even extreme engagement ranges to warrant such a large gap between the bullet origin and 3D ironsight. It also doesn't explain why only some of the sights are misaligned and others are fine.

The Goods:



ASSAULT:

AEK-971


XM8


F2000


STG.77 AUG


AN-94 AKBAN


M416


M16A2




ENGINEER:

9A-91 AVTOMAT


SCAR-L


XM8 SMG


ASK-74U KRINKOV


UZI


PP-2000 AVTOMAT


UMP-45




MEDIC:

PKM


M249 SAW


TYPE 88


M60


XM8 LMG


MG36 Note: I darkened the red dot of the scope and made the cross more transparent for better readability


MG3




RECON:

M24


TYPE 88 SNIPER


SV98 SNAIPERSKAYA


SVU


GOL


VSS


M95




ALL KITS:

RED DOT Note: the red dot "jitters" around a lot so it was difficult to get a perfectly centered screenshot. It is, indeed, perfectly centered.


4X ACOG


THOMPSON


M14


G3


M1 Garand


M9


MP-443 GRACH


M1911


MP-412 REX


M93R

[AvalancheDiode]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

Good find. This is important in this game due to bullet drop. In real life, well, zero a rifle is more trickier. So, in shorter range, it might appear to be on top of the front sight, while in some other cases, below the front sight.

It's more obvious if you do long range sniping a lot with semi-autos.

[IcemanNorth]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

Real life soldiers get optical sights standard.

G36 sight for the Bundeswehr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G36Reticle.png

[Moteeph73]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

Kudos to you for putting this together. Well done indeed.

[GunHappyBob]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

Good observation. It looks like fast fixes.

[imported_Kalo]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

I thought the g3s aiming was a little odd, but the one about the M416 is totally wrong IMO, it shoots where I want, at least for me. Not sure about the SCAR.

[Minmaster]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

i take it red dot is perfectly lined up?

[R.M.S.1.3]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

Good find. This is important in this game due to bullet drop. In real life, well, zero a rifle is more trickier. So, in shorter range, it might appear to be on top of the front sight, while in some other cases, below the front sight.

It's more obvious if you do long range sniping a lot with semi-autos.

I can understand zeroing the sights for long range, except none of the other rifles are zeroed in this way. However, I will do some testing tonight as I play to see if the sights actually can be used as a long-range zero. I tend to not use the misaligned weapons and when I do it's usually >150m

Kalo: I've also noticed that the M416 seems to fire where the front post is, and I've never had problems with it myself, either. I'll double check it for you after I type this up.
EDIT: Double checked it, put up a new image against a white BG. It is in fact misaligned that much.

Minmaster: Yep, the red dot, 4x, and all sniper scopes are lined up.

Everyone else: Thanks! :thumbsup:

ALSO!!!
If anyone else wants to take a few screens of the guns that are misaligned (at their individual resolution) as well as a screenshot of the GOL magnum scope, I can check the alignment to make sure it's not resolution dependent.

[imported_Kalo]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

With respect, I don't see a video with proof RMS, I was just using the M416 today and I never had any issue. It's not that I seriously doubt this (Who remembers the BF2 MG36?) but as it stands now it's any ones word against yours.

This is more of me actually wanting proof so I know to use the XM8, more than it is trying to call you out and appear like an internet badass

[LunaTiK TunaLiK]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

BF2 has always had this same problem, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if this information was close to accurate.

If you want proof, try taking one of those sniper rifles where the accuracy is good, put a piece of black tape on your monitor and then go through the guns and see which ones the black piece of tape doesn't line up with. The model of the gun including the sight is just that, a model, and with battlefield games it isn't always accurately placed.

[Redwinters]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

This seems to be very little in the way of variation. the REX is the only one that is really terrible.

[R.M.S.1.3]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

With respect, I don't see a video with proof RMS, I was just using the M416 today and I never had any issue. It's not that I seriously doubt this (Who remembers the BF2 MG36?) but as it stands now it's any ones word against yours.

This is more of me actually wanting proof so I know to use the XM8, more than it is trying to call you out and appear like an internet badass

I'll try to post a video example a bit later.

Edit:

Ok, it's later:

Keep in mind, this is how my game performs. At this point, I cannot be sure whether the misalignment is resolution based or an error on DICE's part...well, I guess either way it's DICE's fault, lol.

[Dangerdog]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

I don't see the M416 problem, seems fine to me.

[R.M.S.1.3]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

I'll say it again:

If anyone else wants to take a few screens of the guns that are misaligned (at their individual resolution) as well as a screenshot of the GOL magnum scope, I can check the alignment to make sure it's not resolution dependent.

If you don't have any problems, I'd like to see a screenshot. I've shown my evidence and I'm interested in other people's evidence as well as I'd like to get to the bottom of this problem.

[jake_]

Re: The truth about BC2's ironsights (pics)

Maybe I missed it somewhere in the thread, but at what resolution are you playing?