WCK= New Crybaby abusive admin server

[WolfAlmighty]

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Yup, i played with fathead right now, and it certainly raised an eyebrow. Getting killed by him 14 ft away in single shot mode, eventhough i got a jump on him and connected 2 full burst, made me scream BS.

My guess is he's got some kind of godly computer that makes it seem like he's playing the game real-time, with no server lag or anything. When I played with/against him he was always with Vert0, and they both play identically so I'm guessing they're roommates or something. Both of them have the ability to insta-kill, which is not uncommon for me considering I'm usually lagging at least a little bit, but they also seem to have a supernatural awareness of people's locations. I still doubt it's h4x, but I can see where other people may think so. It's funny to watch them beacon-camp using defibs, though. :laugh:

I was kind of hoping to watch a BR file of him if for no other reason than to get some pointers, but the DAM server we were playing on doesn't have BR. I've never seen him on TRR or NfB, either.

[fatmooseknuckle]

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To be fair, though, that FaTh3aD guy is really good...

i don't want to sidetrack & start a flame fest, BUT...as far as Fath3ad goes, it's up in the air on his legitimacy. the guy has been busted in other games for hacking by pb bans. i've seen him play as Fath3ad & i've seen him play as his alt character found linked to him. he's good w/ Fath3ad, but he had some pretty interesting moves w/ his alt character. and for some strange reason he didn't wear his clan tags on said alt character...things that i haven't seen w/ his regular character.

so yeah, he probably deserved it. but the admin did not ban him for his suspect play or hacking, only being "to good".

I've never seen him on TRR or NfB, either.

that's because we recently banned him for reasons stated above. well that & the fact that other =NxS= members were recently busted by pb for hacking in 2142.

[imported_Field]

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i think the proper punishment for hackers is to ban them from computer gaming and make them play Xbox or something where your 2% as likely to be able to do that stuff

[WolfAlmighty]

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i don't want to sidetrack & start a flame fest, BUT...as far as Fath3ad goes, it's up in the air on his legitimacy. the guy has been busted in other games for hacking by pb bans. i've seen him play as Fath3ad & i've seen him play as his alt character found linked to him. he's good w/ Fath3ad, but he had some pretty interesting moves w/ his alt character. and for some strange reason he didn't wear his clan tags on said alt character...things that i haven't seen w/ his regular character.

so yeah, he probably deserved it. but the admin did not ban him for his suspect play or hacking, only being "to good".


that's because we recently banned him for reasons stated above. well that & the fact that other =NxS= members were recently busted by pb for hacking in 2142.

Heh...I was wondering if he was purposely avoiding BR servers. That's good to know though, moose. I didn't know he had an alt, and he wasn't wearing any tags at all when I played him this weekend. I've played against aimbotters before and generally they make it obvious that they're cheating, but it's guys that are 'good' about cheating (kind of a contradiction in terms, I realise) that make you wonder. I guess to get banned from TRR, given the skill levels of people I've seen play there, you have to be really suspect. Maybe I should stop giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. :p

I wonder how well my buddies really know him... :hmm:

i think the proper punishment for hackers is to ban them from computer gaming and make them play Xbox or something where your 2% as likely to be able to do that stuff

IMO the worst part about hacking/cheaters isn't the cheating themselves which can ruin games and empty servers, but rather the fact that they even exist makes legitimately good people get banned unfairly. Hackers hurt the genuinely skilled players more than anyone else.

[imported_Field]

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I've played against aimbotters before and generally they make it obvious that they're cheating, but it's guys that are 'good' about cheating (kind of a contradiction in terms, I realise) that make you wonder. .

these are the sickest people by far because not only are they hacking but they are trying to conivince other people that they are legit players. there is something biologically wrong with these people's brains.

one good example of one of these people was Alphaonemale or Alphaownage if you've ever seen this guy in the past.

[swampfrog]

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First in regards to hackers. After you play enough you get a feel for those that are a really good shot, and those that are using hacks. It's different.

1. If I have the drop on a guy and don't win 50% of the time with a Krylov or Voss, no cover, short range it's likely an aimbot. You can get lucky a few times and get your initial targeting on my head, but not every time.

2. If someone gets the drop on me everytime, it's likely a haxor. UAV's, IDS's, commander spotting explains some of it but none of those show height. Net-Bat puts the red diamonds that show height, but nothing else does. If someone walks into multi-level area of a map and instantly points and shoots directly at you without having to assess the situation vertically, they're likely using a wall hack.

3. Use the IDS, it shows the direction the enemy is facing. If your separated by a barrier and you move back and forth, watch to see if they track you.

4. I think I've played against some that are really good shooters, treble, Field, guys from TKS, TRR, NfB, DAM. They beat me the majority of the time and that's fine, but they don't beat me every time.

Second, WCK. No doubt their admins are not willing to do the work to correctly assess and ban abusive players and hackers. But--the idea that they want to create a space where new players can learn the ropes doesn't deserve the ridicule I see here. This is normal for just about every other competitive games/sport/skill. High Schools have 1A, 2A, 3A... College has divisions. Chess has ranks. Martial Arts have belts. To improve at any skill you don't challenge yourself immediately against the best in competition, that doesn't teach you anything. You train with the best, but you don't compete against them. You learn by challenging just above yourself, and when you've mastered that level, try the next, rinse and repeat. I don't know if banning people with a high KDR is the answer, but a "skill restricted environment" doesn't bother me at all.

[Skates]

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Second, WCK. No doubt their admins are not willing to do the work to correctly assess and ban abusive players and hackers. But--the idea that they want to create a space where new players can learn the ropes doesn't deserve the ridicule I see here. This is normal for just about every other competitive games/sport/skill. High Schools have 1A, 2A, 3A... College has divisions. Chess has ranks. Martial Arts have belts. To improve at any skill you don't challenge yourself immediately against the best in competition, that doesn't teach you anything. You train with the best, but you don't compete against them. You learn by challenging just above yourself, and when you've mastered that level, try the next, rinse and repeat. I don't know if banning people with a high KDR is the answer, but a "skill restricted environment" doesn't bother me at all.

Back when the game first came out, there were a few servers that were rank restricted, which was "supposed" to keep it to the less skilled/newer players. It is still one of the options when setting up a server. However, now that wouldn't really accomplish anything as a lot of players have 2-3 different soldiers and if needed to would create another one just to go in a tear up the competition.

[WolfAlmighty]

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4. I think I've played against some that are really good shooters, treble, Field, guys from TKS, TRR, NfB, DAM. They beat me the majority of the time and that's fine, but they don't beat me every time.

Yeah, that's a good example. treble, cambygambit, Hulk, and cableguy are all people that wtfpwn me almost instantly, but they've never come across as cheaters, just exceptionally good players. Again, I almost always lag somewhat (I think my computer is about to phone it in tbqh :cry: ) so getting insta-killed by people is something I've grown accustomed to, especially by guys like I mentioned above, but FaTh3aD seems to even be a step beyond those guys. I'm always reluctant to cry hax because always yelling 'hax!' when you get killed is the battlecry of inept, but sometimes a certain player will just seem 'off'. Nice to know I'm not the only one that noticed him, though. :thumbsup:

Field, you remember z3r0_m3th0d, right? There's an example of a guy who didn't even attempt to conceal his aimbot. I realise there are good snipers in the game, but being able to headshot a guy with a zeller as he's zigzagging up a flight of stairs from you 10m away every time just makes it blatant.

[imported_Field]

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3. Use the IDS, it shows the direction the enemy is facing. If your separated by a barrier and you move back and forth, watch to see if they track you.
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I don't know if banning people with a high KDR is the answer, but a "skill restricted environment" doesn't bother me at all.

ive been toying around with using UAV to fool people into thinking i dont know they are there by getting close to a corner and facing the opposite direction or appearing to be preoccupied and then see if they commit and try to sneak up on me then i just spin around the corner and blast them.


umm skill restricted evironment i dont think is going to help you. its going to slow down your progress. but the minds at WCK are just slow in general so i guess it fits the cheesblock

[DDoubleVVision]

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ive been toying around with using UAV to fool people into thinking i dont know they are there by getting close to a corner and facing the opposite direction or appearing to be preoccupied and then see if they commit and try to sneak up on me then i just spin around the corner and blast them.

I love doing that. I pretend not to see an enemy and run behind a building. Then I go prone and wait a couple seconds. Sure enough, he comes around with a knife, and dead before he can even shank.

[WolfAlmighty]

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I try to do that with moose, when I see him cloaked I try to pretend I don't see him and run past him. Of course when I turn around he's already uncloaked and usually shanks me anyway so while my plan was good, my execution's not so much. :p

[messfeeder]

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moose shanks me no matter what I do. 90% of the time I see him coming and I still get pwned. But I do what you said, hiding around a corner, except I like to knife them when they come around. Hiding at the top of ladders is fun too!

[swampfrog]

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umm skill restricted evironment i dont think is going to help you. its going to slow down your progress. but the minds at WCK are just slow in general so i guess it fits the cheesblock

There is probably not a way to accomplish it with current game mechanisms. However, if you are brand new to the game, you are just trying to learn the maps, game mechanics, etc. You don't do that on say TRR's servers, because all you will learn his how to switch your kit and choose a spawn point. Single player helps with some things but not the important ones because the bots don't behave like people.

Some people will gut it out if thrown immediately into the fire, but most won't. Everybody learns differently, many will learn better by competing against like skilled players and building the basics first before they learn more advanced skills, some learn better by playing against the best right off the bat, but not many. There isn't a whole lot of progress made by putting a guy one-on-one with an NBA franchise player if he doesn't know how to dribble.

The concept that putting a bunch of noobs together and they will never learn anything is erroneous. Give them a teacher and they will progress even faster, but they will progress.

[Skates]

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umm skill restricted evironment i dont think is going to help you. its going to slow down your progress.

Ummm... yeah. I think Major League Baseball is playing around with the idea of doing away with A, AA, and AAA ball and just telling players if you can't cut it at the majors level, you never will. After all, how can they possibly improve their game unless they are playing against the top talent.

[SenorFox]

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Fathead doesnt hack he gets lucky as hell but he doesnt hack

I was kind of hoping to watch a BR file of him if for no other reason than to get some pointers, but the DAM server we were playing on doesn't have BR. I've never seen him on TRR or NfB, either.

and you wont see him on NfB because he is banned from there as for TRR ill make him jump into the gibby server tonight.