Loser commanders wasting resource.

[JunoPPCLI]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Or you could actually help your team capture flags and win the game ?

[The Laughing Man]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Or you could actually help your team capture flags and win the game ?

Yeah, I am not going to but yeah

[ElFipso]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Oh this should be good, okay Elfipso in your infinite wisdom what is their to be 'understood' about this game that us ordinary folk who play it for fun have some how missed?

You didn't get it.
The ordinary folk understands...
But I can explain.
The ordinary folk and some of the xtraordinary folk will have fun playing a game that challenges the player and requires a certain amount of skill to master it. That is playing BF2 as it should be.

So most of the ppl playing BF2 run/drive/fly around capping flags, engaging the enemy. They vreate new tactics flank the enemy, the whole stuff you know?

Well, some ppl have fun killing enemies that just spawned and therefore didn't even have a chance to defend themselves (no challenge at all and no skill required to do that). They seem to do that to get a maximum no. of kills in a min. amount of time and a min. amount of deaths.

So even though both parties have fun doing this, the spawnkilling party disrupts the game for the other team make them have less fun. Same like hackers do. Spoiling the fun for the others.

In the end thinking about game design, when all the devs sit at a large table discussing how the game should look like and how it should be played.
They would be saying things like: "Well, we have tanks in the game - we need an AT-class too!"
or
"Things will be destroyed - we need someone to repair it, let's create an engineer."
Liek that, you know?
BUt a thing they would never have said is:
"Hey, omg, we have spawnpoints - we need someone to camp and spawnkill - let's have a sniper in the game too!" (applause from all other devs)

No, Laughing Man, the sniper is not meant to kill recently spawned enemies.
Sure he will shoot ppl that are at a base moving towards your team.
But snipers are there to spot targets, to kill enemy snipers, campers (specially spawncampers). Basically all infantry. Yes, it's possible to kill ppl that are actually moving!

If it was the actual meaning of the game to kill spawning ppl...:shakehead:
And the idea of having a kit "specially" designed for spawnkilling is just ridiculous.

Hope you learned something

[[Expletive Deleted]]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

The main reason spawn killing is such a problem in BF2 is the low number of spawn points per CP. Sure, it's random. But there are only 3 or 4 possible spawn points on some flags. They should have made it completely random within a certain radius of the flag. That way spawn camping wouldn't be quite so devastating.
I've been in servers where an APC and a tank just sat in one spot, aiming at all of the spawn points with their main guns and turret gunners. It was impossible to spawn without dieing in under a second.
I've also seen a squad of snipers do the same thing, lying in a circle with their weapons aimed at head level directly on the spawn points and putting claymores two feet in front of the spawn points.
Yeah, that's fun for everyone.

[The Laughing Man]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Hope you learned something

That you know nothing about being a sniper? That you know nothing about how I play?

I said I was overlooking an enemy base, ergo you assume that I must be spawn camping. Firstly spawn camping at 300m, half a map away is next to impossible since in 90% of cases you only have a view of a tiny amount of the spawning area. Ergo not exactly an efficient way of getting lots of kills as you seem to think. I don't ideally shoot anything that moves, I spot as many important targets in the area that's being captured and then take out the ones I see as being important. Anti tank first, followed by fellow snipers, then and only then do I hit other random targets. As for claymores, I use them ONLY to protect the entry points to the area I am sniping from.

Hell I spend so much time doing this that today I was the only person in a server of 60 people that noticed a guy was using the most obvious aim bot in the world. No one had even noticed not even the guys in his team that were standing next to him.

So Elfipso, instead of painting every sniper with the same generic brush perhaps you should consider that some snipers do a job that is as equally skilled as any other player.
Of course it could be worse I could be a medic whore and have spent over 200hours getting points the really easy 'skillful' way, lol.

[GrossKopf]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

I command a lot and sometimes there just aren't very good targets, the arty is ready to go and there's that lone sniper. I'll usually try to cartillery them, but sometimes I drop the artillery.

[zone36]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

I find it hilarious that people figure 1 sniper overlooking a spawn is somehow going to single handedly hold back the enemy team. Like getting a headshot from a distance takes no skill or something? Like it compares in any way, shape or form to camping with a tank, or a chopper, etc..

I will, however, concede that placing a claymore at a spawn point (read spawn point, NOT a flag) is a cheap thing to do and is a quick way to ruin the fun of the game. THAT, most definitely, takes no skill.

At any rate, you people with your own little rules.. just play the damn game.

[ElFipso]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Answers in bold

That you know nothing about being a sniper? That you know nothing about how I play?

Oh, I spend some time sniping. I don't know how you play, just from what you told us, which is "I was shooting at an enemy spawnpoint" ERGO: spawnkilling

I said I was overlooking an enemy base, ergo you assume that I must be spawn camping. Firstly spawn camping at 300m, half a map away is next to impossible since in 90% of cases you only have a view of a tiny amount of the spawning area. Ergo not exactly an efficient way of getting lots of kills as you seem to think.

Well, you need to explain yourself better, because "I was shooting at an enemy spawnpoint" and "I was overlooking an enemy base" sounds very different

I don't ideally shoot anything that moves, I spot as many important targets in the area that's being captured and then take out the ones I see as being important. Anti tank first, followed by fellow snipers, then and only then do I hit other random targets. As for claymores, I use them ONLY to protect the entry points to the area I am sniping from.

Hell I spend so much time doing this that today I was the only person in a server of 60 people that noticed a guy was using the most obvious aim bot in the world. No one had even noticed not even the guys in his team that were standing next to him.

So Elfipso, instead of painting every sniper with the same generic brush perhaps you should consider that some snipers do a job that is as equally skilled as any other player.

With an age of 29 you should be able to read my posts correctly. I never generalized and I didn't even say that YOU were considering the sniper kit as spawnkilling kit, that was for someone else. The guy that said the sniper kit is designed for spawnkilling.
And please show me where I said ALL Snipers are skillless spawnkillers.

Of course it could be worse I could be a medic whore and have spent over 200hours getting points the really easy 'skillful' way, lol.

[The Laughing Man]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

With an age of 29 you should be able to read my posts correctly. I never generalized and I didn't even say that YOU were considering the sniper kit as spawnkilling kit

No but you did, and let me quote you, call me a spawn camper. I dunno how old you are but I would imagine it's not so old that you can't remember what you previously wrote?

Given the fact that you were spawncamping

and then you automatically generalize that everyone who spawn camps is a coward. Yeah if you're in a tank but a sniper risks being seen with every shot and once they are clocked their dead.

[jesus]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

I don't usually spawn camp the uncaps, but when I do, I'm usually there to prevent the jets and helicopters from taking off. I do a pretty good job at it, and I'd say I'm doing my job as a sniper

[predragjanjic]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

I don't usually spawn camp the uncaps, but when I do, I'm usually there to prevent the jets and helicopters from taking off. I do a pretty good job at it, and I'd say I'm doing my job as a sniper

thats still wrong

[jesus]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Why? The server allows it and I'm helping my team. Our infantry doesn't have to worry about being taken out by aerial vehicles. Our aerial vehicles don't have to worry about other aerial vehicles so they can concentrate on defending flags.

Just because you're not taking flags doesn't mean you're not helping your team.

[zone36]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Just because you're not taking flags doesn't mean you're not helping your team.

Exactly and it's amazing how many players fail to realize this.

[ElFipso]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Again in bold

No but you did, and let me quote you, call me a spawn camper. I dunno how old you are but I would imagine it's not so old that you can't remember what you previously wrote?

Jeeze, It was you who said you were sniping the spawn point. And that is why I called you a spawnkiller, because that was exactly what you said. And it took you several posts to saiy that you weren't exactly SPAWN killing but rather overviewing the enemy base!

and then you automatically generalize that everyone who spawn camps is a coward. Yeah if you're in a tank but a sniper risks being seen with every shot and once they are clocked their dead.

Oh, yeah , you are right all spawnkilelrs are the most brave ppl on the whole battlefield. I can't believe how they manage to kill defenseless enemies without getting a heart attack. They all deserve the medal of honour.
And yes, in this case I love to generalize: spawnkillers are cowards! All of them! :laugh:

I'm done. There's nothing more to say. I can't believe it takes more than 3 pages of posts to explain that spawnkilling is for noobs etc. :shock::dead::shakehead:

[predragjanjic]

Re: Loser commanders wasting resource.

Why? The server allows it and I'm helping my team. Our infantry doesn't have to worry about being taken out by aerial vehicles. Our aerial vehicles don't have to worry about other aerial vehicles so they can concentrate on defending flags.

Just because you're not taking flags doesn't mean you're not helping your team.

let the one with less skill lose

leave air vehicles to your teammate pilots, ur just being a sissie and annoying if ur sniping people out of cockpits

its simple, if u wanna be a sniper you need to sit somewhere where you cant be seen and defend your flag, thats mostly what snipers are for, set your clays next to a flag and defend it from a distance, its not your job to prevent jets from taking of, your only being a bad sniper and an annoying noob by doing that


next time you do stuff like that, ask your self how you would feel if someone kept sniping you out of the cockpit and think if you should be doing it

Exactly and it's amazing how many players fail to realize this.

actually many people fail to realize that flags are not meant to be capped with attack choppers for example, also if ur a sniper ur job is to defend a flag not cap it, if you wanna cap flags be a medic or something, if u wanna defend, be spec or, engi, or a sniper, if u wanna keep air vehicles down, get in the jet or chopper and have some dogfights, dont go into main base and snipe people out of cockpits like a *****