Do softcore servers exist anymore?

[|D:W| Gaffa]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

I share your pain. I hardly play COD 4 any more because all the servers are hardcore.

Everyone has an opinion as to which they prefer, but for me arcade action of softcore is much more fun than nade spam, spay and pray hard core. Its a matter of opinion, but because there are more hard core servers, doesnt mean most people like hardcore, just that more server owners prefer hardcore.

The original poster is right - this game is going the same way as battlefield 2 where server owners forcing on us infantry only karkand

I want to play cod 4, not counter strike

NO one is forcing anyone. The server owners pay for their server, giving them the right to play whatever mode they wish to play. So no one is forcing you to play on it. As someone else has said, you can easily rent you own servers then play SC on them???

This is what really makes me laugh the most, it doesn't cost much to rent a server, so delete this topic, then everyone moaning about the lack of SC servers can go and rent their own servers, dedicated to SC!?!? Then you can play without moaning about HC :salute:

[GrossKopf]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

Personally every time I've played HC it's been a who can spam their gun down range and hit someone in the foot first contest.

CoD gameplay is designed for softcore/normal mode. Hardcore is an extra add-on that they put in for those who want a change of pace.

In the past I've played COD 2 with mods that turn that into a sort-of "hardcore" and that's how I prefer it. IW just included it and modders didn't need to do it.

Based of the difficulty of finding "softcore" servers, I'd say Hardcore must be more popular and thus "softcore" must be for those who want a change of pace. :)

[imported_Whiskey]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

A HC/SC filter is definitely needed, as both modes are popular but a lot of people are obviously having trouble finding the mode they want with a good ping, due to the only clue being in the server name.

People are free to say which mode they prefer, but actual arguments about which takes more skill is pointless, IMO. HC and SC have different skill-sets, and contrary to what sogek1ng said above, I don't believe the skills of one mode transfer automatically to the other without a change in tactics. In all honesty, on 3 different COD4 forums I browse, most of the complaining (those creating the initial threads) is coming from SC players who seem to be frustrated that their "reflex tactics" (ie. jumping, diving, lean-running, etc) don't work as well in HC because of the lower health level. These players then go on to rant about HC being too easy. It's coming off as sour grapes/bruised ego much of the time.

Yes, it's easier to kill in HC, but by that same token it's also easier to die. HC requires a player to give more thought to protecting their back/flank and not go running into the middle of a firefight.

I enjoy both, depending on my gaming mood. But I cannot agree with either side trying to say their mode is superior. I firmly believe they simply require different sets of skill/tactics.

We still need a filter though. : )

[Spik3d]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

im fed up of seeing a guy first and having to use half a mag to do any damage,

You need to aim better. The max damage of an AR is 40, min is 30. That means a maximum of four shots to down somebody (without juggernaut) or five if you're using the bugged AK47 with a silencer or reflex sight. Hardcore is for those that can't keep their sights on the target for more than a second as it only takes one or two shots to down somebody.

plus they jump around all the place, nade spam like its the only weapon they have, martyrdom everywhere, you can keep soft core

I've played on softcore servers for a while and it's safe to say that you're exaggerating quite a bit.

hard core is slower paced, more tactical, you can ACTUALLY USE all of the guns since they all work like they should in hard core, silencers are actually usable, you no longer need bandolier and stopping power as standard.

Of course, because it takes so few bullets and is much easier to down somebody than in softcore. You probably use bandolier and stopping power in softcore because you can't keep your sights on the target for more than a second. Hardcore is also not slower paced, if anything it's quicker because so long as you have quick reflexes, you can walk through the enemy like a hot knife through warm butter.

How can you sit there and say players that play HC can't aim??? That's total crap IMHO! In fact HC requires better aim, otherwise your dead. Both HC and SC require some sort of skill, but with HC your reflexes need to be sharper. Most weapons in HC act like they should do. You don't need to add a perk to make them even more powerful than they already are. 99.99% of the time you NEED to use the "stopping power" perk and it takes away the chance of using all the other perks available.

Your reflexes need to be sharper because it's so easy to down somebody. If your reflexes aren't up to par with another player's, then you'll die instantly from the single bullet of theirs to anywhere on your body. That's all you really need for hardcore though, good reflexes. You don't have to keep your sights on the target, for example.

Lol? And why shouldn't it? Sorry but that's the most stupidest thing I've heard... Guns are guns, 99.99% of the time you get shot, you will not be able to do anything! Whether its a spray with the MP5 or RPD, the chances are you would be dead! Not running around like nothing has happened. Even with a pistol, if I shot you once in the chest, you telling me you wont bleed to death? Seriously work your facts out...

Answer me this... In SC why the hell should it take 3 shots to the head before you kill them????

CoD4 is a video game, not a military simulator.

In HC yes, you do get some sprayers, but its an arcade game! You get sprayers, campers and bunnyhoppers. In both HC and SC! All the bunnyhoppers love SC because they know it will take almost a full clip to kill him! Where as HC they can try and bunnyhopper but they will most probably be shot straight away!

As I said above it takes four bullets max from any AR to down somebody (five for the bugged AK), that's not including the chest and head modifiers (which is what the player most likely aims for). And last I checked, five rounds isn't a full magazine for any weapon in the game.

Why do you need the mini map?? Are you really that bad you need all the enemies marked on the map for you?? You have sound, so use it...

There's still UAV in hardcore, the mini-map appears when UAV is called. And all the enemies are drawn on the mini-map that don't have UAV jammer, those that do have UAV jammer still appear when they fire.

I find that HC servers have a lot more players that want to work as a team, where as SC servers rather do everything on their own.

Assuming that you rarely play in softcore servers by your general attitude, you have little to no room to speak. You probably haven't played in softcore servers that much, let alone at all.

[Kodakk]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

There is no difference in teamwork between HC and SC, none. It's not "realistic" all it does is change damage and the UAV, nothing else - that's not realistic.

I wonder how the HC players dealt with previous video games. CSS, BF2, etc. where it took more than a single shot from a silenced uzi to down a target.

There's an art to video game FPS's, aiming for the head, accuracy, quick reflexes, etc. All of which are required to be successful in softcore, when only quick reflexes/spraying are required in HC. That's why so many people use a P90 in HC, because they run around and spray, hit a target once, and they are down. I hardly see anybody be succesful with it in softcore.

I hate getting in these arguments, but they annoy me when I hear people acting as an elitist because they play the "tough" hardcore.

[iQue]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

I couldn't have said it better k0dak :)

[Kodakk]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

Hehe. Well, I try to stay out of these, but I guess I just love arguing :/

I mean, I used to love hardcore. They are both good game modes, although I prefer SC. It's just that I feel SC encompasses more of "being a good player" than HC, so that's where the argument comes from.

One of my friends put it as:

HC takes skill not to die quickly
SC takes skill because it's harder to kill.

[imported_Whiskey]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

I hate getting in these arguments, but they annoy me when I hear people acting as an elitist because they play the "tough" hardcore.

I agree that the arguments are dumb and this isn't directed at you personally...but again, as far as elitism goes, most of the topics about this are being brought up by SC players saying that HC is for people with no skill.

HC is simply a "realism" mod that games from the past had (including MOH, COD) that IW decided to put into COD4 because it was popular, to save the community some work so that they could play it right away. It's not meant for everyone (I acually never played realism mods back in the MOH:SH days).

All this bickering is coming from players getting into either a HC or SC server that they didn't want to be in (due to lack of a filter), and they're lashing out at the other group, which then retaliates, and off it goes. It's silly.

[|D:W| Gaffa]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

For you information I did have had a go at SC, but as I said, I lost interest. Now its HC whenever I play...

I do know CoD4 is a game, but when your trying to make a point about how powerful a weapon should or shouldn't be that's why I said what I did. Considering the developers try their best to base the weapons off real-life weapons, you might of understood the point I was trying to make.

I'm surprised you never quoted me when I was talking about how people should stop moaning about the lack of SC servers and rent their own... :p

Because as Whiskey said, its a no win situation comparing both modes. If players feel this hard done by they can easily rent/host their own server, correct? Then these topics would never exist.

From what I see, its only people without control over a server that are complaining.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

I tell ya what, how about you write up a research paper on this, include technical data and pie charts so you can prove all this. I'll be off living in real life and not having my skin paled by hundreds of hours of hiding inside in front of my computer.

Sorry, I dont have to sit in front of my computer thousands of hours to be able to come up with a list of arguments to support my case. I would need a brain the size of a hazlenut to b!tch and moan and post inconsistent bullsh!t that has as much factual base to it as an impotent man having an erection.

Did I describe you with a good accuracy? Just because you are unable to support your case, yet blatanty show your flawed and ignorant opinion, doesnt mean others cant. I personally can, and I can use a messload of examples from RL aswell.

Theres a reason why a paintball player will kill an airsoft player 1vs1 most of the time. Theres a reason(s) why a dedicated SC player is better at COD4.

If people start mentioning "skill"...


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Moving on. People who say you wont survive a .50AE shot to the foot dont know war veterans. You may fall from the first shot, you can fall from a shrapnel, but if were dealing with a FLESH wound, such as a 5.56 going through the fat on your leg, youll be filled with enough adrenaline to keep on going. Its even easier when youre hit in the hand. Ever wondered why more and more LE officers are ditching 9mm and going for .45? Pump a perk full of PCP and watch him become a superman. Currently, the same problem is with 5.56 round, Ive heard some nice rumours about a new 6.8 round.

So no, HC mode in COD4 is NOT a realism mode. Its closer to realism mode than SC is, but its not a realism mode.

[waaah_wah]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

Moving on. People who say you wont survive a .50AE shot to the foot dont know war veterans.

Erm... You wont survive a shot to the foot from a Barret

[Keyelite]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

Hardcore is the way to go. "Softcore" has a cluttered HUD. It requires no skill since you can fire with accuracy thanks to magical crosshairs floating in the air. Contrary to common misconception, hardcore isn't one-shot one-kill.

Hardcore should be the standard and "softcore" should require a special cvar to activate it.

Call of Duty 4 was not made to be a hardcore war simulator game. You can see it in the singleplayer for crying out loud (Even look at the "Arcade" mode you unlock.. it was meant to be an all around action shooter! Not a "don't run and no bunny hopping" tactical game). If you want a real "hardcore" game, you want Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint, or ArmA, where its actually designed from the ground up to be that way.

[[11AD]A|Cpl.Titan]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

Theres a reason why a paintball player will kill an airsoft player 1vs1 most of the time. Theres a reason(s) why a dedicated SC player is better at COD4.

Glad that has anything to do with COD4. Other than just get on my bad side what purpose does that serve? How do airsoft and paintball relate to COD4?

[Keyelite]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

All this bickering is coming from players getting into either a HC or SC server that they didn't want to be in (due to lack of a filter), and they're lashing out at the other group, which then retaliates, and off it goes. It's silly.

Yes, that statement is probibly true. I don't care if you guys play hardcore, but when I spend 30 minutes trying to find a nice small server that is softcore... I get angry at hardcore players.


IW, if you are reading this... What the hell? Air strike kill cams? Claymore kill cams? Most of the time you don't even watch the kill cams unless its a "WTF, is he a hacker?" moment. You could have spent that time developing and fixing other parts of the game (i.e. HC/SC filter) instead of petty cosmetics.

[|D:W| Gaffa]

Re: Do softcore servers exist anymore?

Yes, that statement is probibly true. I don't care if you guys play hardcore, but when I spend 30 minutes trying to find a nice small server that is softcore... I get angry at hardcore players.

Again...

You could save yourself 30mins by renting or hosting a server yourself! If the server owners wish to run HC, that's none of your concern. Getting angry because server owners wish to run the server how they want too, doesn't make any sense whatsoever!

It will take 2mins to host your own server, or 1-7days to rent a server. This will save all the stress that HC players are putting you through.

As for the .50cal + foot. Lol! Are you serious? The .50cal will not only take your foot off, but most probably your leg also!