The Joystick Open Challenge!

[Chris_Redfield]

Blood, its not my video. Its the video of one of the best pilots in BF2, and I showed it to you in the thread you first made the challenge in.

Aerialz, the fact that this is not a sim has absolutely no meaning. The jets fly like jets in sims fly, meaning- you need the same type of control. And joystick control is not a requirement for MSFS, you can very well fly those planes with a keyboard only, which I have.

As for why JS is better than a mouse/KB

1) It has more accessible keys, which allow for much faster and wider key pressing combinations and general use
2) Its more natural to an untrained hand to become adjusted to
3) Continuous and unrestricted motion
4) Switching between unrestricted and continuous motion is far better
5) Very high customization through various software
6) Precision rudder control for most sticks
7) Precision throttle control for pilots who fly on certain throttle level

These are just off the top of my head.

[Rugerdog]

A joystick is just a preference. Maybe you can do better with a joystick than with a mouse/kb and I won't argue with personal opinion, but many prefer the mouse/kb to the joystick as well. None of this has any real impact on in game performance, so arguing that either either way is superior and makes a person fly better is pointless. You may point to the fact that many high ranking players use joysticks etc., but that is mainly due to the hype from the forum threads like this one. Just like with the G36e, an experienced player realizes that any gameplay advantage that a person perceives that a weapon/peripheral has, is either placebo or can easily be countered by a change in strategy. The gun or joystick itself does not matter, it is the person wielding it and their comfort with it that determines success.

[Chris_Redfield]

You know, Im going through old posts of Mouse vs Joystick, and I cant find a single person who has switched from a stick to a mouse. But Ive already spotted more than 2 dozen people who have switched from Mouse to JS and claim to be better, more proficient, and some even have more fun. Ive got personally 2 feedbacks from talented pilots who claim that JS is better than what theyve used before.

Its all personal preference indeed, but sometimes, facts speak louder than opinions.

[imported_kiwi]

F-18 Vs Mig. or F-18 Vs J10 is not 100% fair. Fly same jet

[Rugerdog]

Its all personal preference indeed, but sometimes, facts speak louder than opinions.

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[Kodakk]

He's talking about the all powerful video he posted.

*I wish BF2 had more controllable hydraulic systems... I love using airbrake/flap/throttle combinations.

[predragjanjic]

1V1 dogfight=joystick wins, there are a few really good mouse pilots out there(flyjetandkill is one)

pub=a smarter pilot wins so it doesn't matter if you use a joystick or a mouse

as long as you are a jet pilot, know what I mean?

[Kodakk]

I'm just tired of this debate.

It is completely up to skill. It just so happens that most (still not sure who "most" is) good pilots happen to fly with a joystick. I happen to consider myself a great pilot, and I have flown with the mouse/keyboard throughout my whole Battlefield career (1942 - present)

[Chris_Redfield]

Im tired too. Unless you actually bring down some solid arguments to this... "debate", you can take your boat and peddle off. Scroll back, you havent provided a single argument to support your case.

[Kodakk]

I said I wasn't going to argue, and I won't.

*Hint* I already made my point a few pages back.

Anyways, I really liked the idea Bloodhound - actually testing the arguments to the best ability that you could.

[Chris_Redfield]

***Agrees with the lock idea

Not here to further argue the topic, but please explain (anybody, pro or not)

Battlefield 2, unlike other games, has limitations in its physics, primarily those of flight. In the jet, you have the basics of all basics. Throttle up, down, control of your ailerons, elevators, and rudders.

Simplistic weapon systems are put in place - a simple button to switch between bombs and missiles, and a simplistic release system for those weapons.

Explain to me, why any device can do these better than any other? Left clicking serves the same function as a trigger on the joystick, and so forth.

Now you may argue that a joystick allows for more precise control, you can more minutely alter your rudder/throttle/ailerons/etc. However, Battlefield 2 does not call for that extent of precision.

What you fly with does not matter - to me - in Battlefield 2. Explain to me, other than by saying "The pros use a joystick", why any type of controller is better than another.

You mean this?

I already made my point a few pages back.

You didnt make any points. You simply stated your opinion as a fact, which is exactly what youve done a lot of times. I urge you to swim through posts of people who have been good at M/KB and who have switched permanently to joysticks and what they have to say.

One of the better pilots I know that would answer to your questions, would be Oakleaves. Ive provided some help to him during his transition, he said he was good before, and he became better afterwards. If Im not mistaken, he used to be a competitive pilot in TWL.

I personally have made a transition from KB/KB to M/KB to JS/KB.

One of the best pilots I know flow KB/KB in the summer, because he didnt have his stick. He described KB as being vastly inferior to JS, but he had no choice. He was good, so I cant even imagine how good would he have been if he used a stick.

Dont be a desk general, listen to what people who have been in the mud have to say.

Ive already provided JS-s advantages. But for your amusement, and for the sake of objectivity and balance-

KB/KB Advantages

Superior reaction time between control input and jet reaction.

(and thats it)

Mouse Advantages

On the fly sensitivity adjustment
Superior machine gunning accuracy
On the fly use of mouselook

(and thats it)

Anyway, if that wont get through to you, nothing will. I at least can use you as practice for the event when I might stumble across a scientologist.

[=98=]

Wow, people take these things so seriously.

I think we can assume joysticks are better.