BF2 Stereotypes

[ElFipso]

Precisely. It would be fantastic if the "anti-karkand, anti-IO, pro-teamwork" whiners would just shut up and let everyone play the game how they want to.

It would really be fantastic, but remember, this is teh internetz, so nobody will ever shut up

[DontKnockIt225]

First, lets scratch some of those "good thing about Bf2 IO" There we go, now its only 8 reasons

And these things suck in Bf2:

No teamwork whatsoever, evidence?? Bf2 has loads of teamwork. Simply taking another angle by seperating yourself form a group is teamwork.

Spammy gameplay - ineffective at the higher level... also any1 good would stay away from groups to not get spammed.

Horrible hitboxes - True

Weapons do little damage - seen as a good thing, any1 who dislikes this can play CD

Ppl can throw nades WAY too fast - I dont see how this is relevant?

Prone diving is effective - no its not at higher level, it is against noob players

Proximity claymores - Surly thats realistic??

Weapon deviation is over the top - the kick?? i dont understand this 1?

Weapon balance is bad - every aspect of a weapon has strength and weaknesses. No weapon crosses boundary to be too powerful at many things.

You can ressuply/heal/revive ppl way too quickly - compared to what?

Bunnyhopping is effective - yes, wheres the downside?

You can go from stading to prone or from prone to standing in an instant and without loss of accuracy - once again many people like this.

Way too much CQC - again people like this. Also only karkand has CQC.

Fixed machineguns are inneffective - wrong, aim for head slightly lead target. Better than any hand held guns.

Some classes are made almost useless - give me example? i dont think any are.

Things get spammy on a 64 player server - Again some people like this. If you dont choose the other 2 map sizes or any of variety of different size server.



When you buy a game that focuses on combined arms, you shouldnt be complaining about getting killed by tanks, jets or chopters should you? There are enough "IO" games out there already. - how does adding something that appeals to so many, ruin a game??

No more than 3 things there, if that. It is like me slating PR because i dislike it and writing reasons why i dislike it... doesnt mean its not good.

[GanglarToronto]

Lemme guess, you didnt like PR?

Do you ever NOT broadcast something about pr? Its annoying and pr isn't all its hyped to be.

[waaah_wah]

Do you ever NOT broadcast something about pr? Its annoying and pr isn't all its hyped to be.

It is for me

evidence?? Bf2 has loads of teamwork. Simply taking another angle by seperating yourself form a group is teamwork

Not really... Join a random server and check how many ppl are cooperating, instead of runnig around doing their own little thing.

ineffective at the higher level... also any1 good would stay away from groups to not get spammed

Fair enough

seen as a good thing, any1 who dislikes this can play CD

How is that a good thing? The guy who gets the first hit should normally win the firefight.

I dont see how this is relevant?

it takes nade spamming to a whole new level If they would add some delay between trowing nades, nade spamming wouldn't be as insane as it is now.

no its not at higher level, it is against noob players

From what i have seen, its effective againts anyone. Most because of these lovely Bf2 hitboxes...

Surly thats realistic??

Tripwire or clacker (or whatever its called) would actually be more realistic since AFAIK, proximity claymores are not allowed to be used anymore.

the kick?? i dont understand this 1?

No, not the recoil. The deviation. A weapon should hit where you aim (more or less), but in Bf2 the deviation for some weapons is just over the top. But then again some weapons hit everything even when you run (G36E)

every aspect of a weapon has strength and weaknesses. No weapon crosses boundary to be too powerful at many things

G36E, and RPK > Every other weapon in the game.

compared to what?

Not compared to anything, it just takes minimal time to drop an ammo bag and get 4 more grenades sp you can spam away. Same with the medic kit, you can hit him with a nice burst in the chest only for him to duck down, throw down a medic bag, get up and be completely fine. Or even worse when he is sitting on top of 3-4 medic packs and you have a weapon that cant kill him in one shot.

yes, wheres the downside?

Its kinda cheap, and really unrealistic?

once again many people like this.

Erm.. Yeah it really great to be able to jump 2 feet in the air, land on your stomach and have 110% accuracy:shakehead

again people like this. Also only karkand has CQC

Meh, Sharqi, Jalalabad, and Mashtuur dont exactly have long range engagements either

Better, yes. But they arent really effective

give me example? i dont think any are.

Assault. The only thing it has over other classes i the GL. its messed up that the medic class is actually more effective than the "main fighting class". They made a support class more effective than the class that should be used as "inf killer"

Again some people like this. If you dont choose the other 2 map sizes or any of variety of different size server

Fair enough But the gameplay at Karkand is just ruined when it has 64 players

No more than 3 things there, if that. It is like me slating PR because i dislike it and writing reasons why i dislike it... doesnt mean its not good.

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[RW-RogueWolf]

In all fairness Tsovehr is right, BF2 runs how the world runs, its life, its how people are in everyday life just brought to BF2.

BF2:) You spawn rape so your a point whore and a noob. Because well thats true.
Real Life:) You wear a hoody, nikey gear & think your god. Your a chav, again very true.

As for well then you should go play another game, Why? Why the hell should people who like IO go play CS? just because you think they should they have to, because its your law. Pff EA/Dice Brought IO into BF2 for something different, get over it. You like France, he likes spain, you like fish & Chips, he likes a curry. learn to live with it.

[jesus]

I'm not anti anything. I love jets, and helicopters. And I think i'm pretty good in them, atleast, for a pubber. I hate being in clans and hardcore competetive gaming, so I only have to be good enough to dominate on public servers. I like tanks and APCs because I like being able to take advantage of splash damage and kill people from huge distances behind the fog by only knowing where to shoot, and not knowing if anyone is even there.

I love IO, mainly karkand and jalalabad, because I like playing with lots of guys in such a small confined area (DONT EVEN DARE ) where it's always havoc and chaos. My favourite IO server? rubberducky gaming karkand, where it's the smallest map size but with 64 player slots. it's a truely intense experience. I also like how fun, and arcadey it is. For one thing, I do a lot of C4 jumping, just because I can. I start a squad called "ROOFTOP", it fills up quickly, I get on a roof and then I tell everyone in my squad through voip to respawn on me as a certain kit so we can have fun up there. One time on US, I got my squad to the market flag waay in the back just by jumping from roof top to roof top

Also, I think the stats system actually promotes teamwork. Someone revives you only so they can get 2 points, but little do they know that they're actually working as a team. Everytime you take a flag, give ammo, give medic bag, or revive JUST for points, you're still helping your team win.

[Noble Rotter]

Also, I think the stats system actually promotes teamwork.

O RLY?!?! I though it promoted selfish individualism.

And C4 jumping is so Liberachi. :p IO maps with friendly fire on FTW!

[jesus]

O RLY?!?! I though it promoted selfish individualism.

And C4 jumping is so Liberachi. :p IO maps with friendly fire on FTW!

someone before was complaining that there's only point whores, and no team work

[[55RA]D|Rec.donerkebab123]

I relish in I/O. I think today for about 3 hours i had some intense action on the city maps. Gotland server, if anyone wants to check it out. But yeah I/O is fun. Now PR, i had some fun on that, however the having to trek it for upto 10mins (sometimes) to cap a flag got very tedious. Just couldn't be arsed mate vBF2 is ambience to a hardcore raver.

[DontKnockIt225]

Originally Posted by DontKnockIt225
evidence?? Bf2 has loads of teamwork. Simply taking another angle by seperating yourself form a group is teamwork

Not really... Join a random server and check how many ppl are cooperating, instead of runnig around doing their own little thing.
It takes a leader to organise a team... if you lack the ability to create teamwork then thats your problem. You just have to find the right group. A group of medic, or any1 who kill commander assets is teamwork.

ineffective at the higher level... also any1 good would stay away from groups to not get spammed

Fair enough

seen as a good thing, any1 who dislikes this can play CS

How is that a good thing? The guy who gets the first hit should normally win the firefight. Is this what happens in plane or tank fights? No

I dont see how this is relevant?

it takes nade spamming to a whole new level If they would add some delay between trowing nades, nade spamming wouldn't be as insane as it is now.

Again you are victim to grenades by standing in groups. Its a noob mistake.


no its not at higher level, it is against noob players

From what i have seen, its effective againts anyone. Most because of these lovely Bf2 hitboxes...

This sounds like you know little about infrantry only. But i hope you can take my word for it. You get eaten alive by going prone instantly. You scarifice 90% of body movement to gain better recoil. Thus your a sitting duck.


Surly thats realistic??

Tripwire or clacker (or whatever its called) would actually be more realistic since AFAIK, proximity claymores are not allowed to be used anymore.

So your complain is what the weapon's (claymore's) name and appearence is, rather than the effect it has on gameplay?



No, not the recoil. The deviation. A weapon should hit where you aim (more or less), but in Bf2 the deviation for some weapons is just over the top. But then again some weapons hit everything even when you run (G36E)
The cross hair dramatically changes from gun to gun. If you wish for a more accurate style medic gun, use a special forces one. Also hitboxes come into play here. This has already been discussed.



every aspect of a weapon has strength and weaknesses. No weapon crosses boundary to be too powerful at many things

G36E, and RPK > Every other weapon in the game.

RPK ineffective since you must be prone to use. Thus giving up 90% of movement to sustain a reasonable rate of fire. Where is this over powered?

compared to what?

Not compared to anything, it just takes minimal time to drop an ammo bag and get 4 more grenades sp you can spam away. Same with the medic kit, you can hit him with a nice burst in the chest only for him to duck down, throw down a medic bag, get up and be completely fine. Or even worse when he is sitting on top of 3-4 medic packs and you have a weapon that cant kill him in one shot.

Again people like this, it isnt in games like CS or COD4 (i think).

BUNNY HOPPING
yes, wheres the downside?

Its kinda cheap, and really unrealistic?

Agreed althought it does not ruin the game atall really.


Going prone
once again many people like this.

Erm.. Yeah it really great to be able to jump 2 feet in the air, land on your stomach and have 110% accuracy

Again totally unrealistic, doesnt necessarily make the game worse.


again people like this. Also only karkand has CQC

Meh, Sharqi, Jalalabad, and Mashtuur dont exactly have long range engagements either
CQC is point blank? Maybe up to 20m? The mist on any level but karkand goes to atleast 200m+ Thus the majority of the fighting is 30+ metres.


give me example? i dont think any are.

Assault. The only thing it has over other classes i the GL. its messed up that the medic class is actually more effective than the "main fighting class". They made a support class more effective than the class that should be used as "inf killer"

Assault should beat any medic 1v1 if the skill levels are equal. Assault, as a class in a teamwork game, rely on working with medics to remain healed after every encounter. Assault have more body armour, can use g3 (most devastating weapon ingame), flash bangs, smoke grenade.



Again some people like this. If you dont choose the other 2 map sizes or any of variety of different size server

Fair enough But the gameplay at Karkand is just ruined when it has 64 players

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O RLY?!?! I though it promoted selfish individualism.

It turns out anything anyone does is for themselves.

Even giving to charity. Any capitalist who disagrees should sell their property and live in a lower middle class society in which state the world would be in, if capitalism had not plagued the earth.

[Noble Rotter]

It turns out anything anyone does is for themselves.

Even giving to charity. Any capitalist who disagrees should sell their property and live in a lower middle class society in which state the world would be in, if capitalism had not plagued the earth.

OT. What?! You mean like it was before the 19th century were most people's money ended up being taken (and spent) by the state. No thank you. Most people like yourself have no idea what capitalism really is. For example: what store did the anti-capitalist protesters in London (2001?) trash.....? John Lewis....a workers co-operative! Idiots!!!

Now let's get back on topic.

[DontKnockIt225]

OT. What?! You mean like it was before the 19th century were most people's money ended up being taken (and spent) by the state. No thank you. Most people like yourself have no idea what capitalism really is. For example: what store did the anti-capitalist protesters in London (2001?) trash.....? John Lewis....a workers co-operative! Idiots!!!

Now let's get back on topic.

Capitalist society works on; many poor - rich few principle.
Thus the north and the south
People give to charity not to help others but to make themselves feel good about. If they really cared they would give their life and a large amount of wealth to the less fortunate.

Thus every1 does things to make themselves to feel better, even teamwork on bf2 :)

[shadowmafia]

Congratulations! You're officially the "Perfect BF2 Player". Now you can whine about how boring Karkand is, and how IO sucks with the rest of the majority-conformers.

Actually the "majority-conformers" are the ones in the IO Karkand servers.

You're completely correct. Except in this case, the milk is probably a person on 40 kills 0 deaths in a jet, or a spawn camper in a tank

Didn't you start the thread complaining about jet and tank stereotypes.....way to be hypocritical.

[DesertFalcon]

but not so much with hackers as everyone makes it out to be. It`s a good game and some are just bloody good at it.
Your "facts" fail.

hmm let me compare real quick using Google.

Search for Battlefield 2 Hacks comes up with 161,000 results

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=WSe&q=BF2+hacks&btnG=Search

Search for Counter Strike 1.6 Hacks comes up with 2,130,000 results

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=PAz&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Counter+Strike+1.6+hacks&spell=1

And then you agree with me here

It`s full of kiddies

So do you not see the correlation?

[Sparabara]

all 3 stars are jet whores and all majors/lieutenant colonels are chopper whores.