So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

[Dairuka]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

First off. Let me say.

Wow. I feel important now.

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So which one is it? Btw the SVD and the Type88 are both semi-automatic.

Semantics.

You are confusing Recoil and Accuracy here. Because both the SVD/Type88 and the M95 have the same Accuracy (source: BF2 WeaponsChart (Update: 09/04/2006) - [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1). However the recoil on the semi's is worse (min & max) compared to the M95.

Recoil is a huge factor to me. It makes it difficult to line up a second shot, if you weren't lucky enough to kill the person in one.

The SVD and the Type-88 have no bolt-action animation after each shot, so they literally jump up into the air after every shot, like the L8A61 in single shot mode. It's easy to control, but I hate that more than anything. At least you don't notice this with the Bolt-action rifles (Except the M95), since you normally zoom out automatically.

As it stands, the crosshairs for the SVD are rather annoying to use. It's 'worse than the Ironsights for the M16A2 annoying.' Irregardless of how I line it up, it never ammounts to a headshot, unless I'm around 200m away. For this gun, I ignore all statistics, and simply state, 'this gun is inaccurate, due to the lack of a bar down the middle.'

Most people who use the SVD or the Type-88 just spam shots, while pulling down on their mouse, hoping that the motion of the mouse will offset any recoil. Hence why there are so many people out there who blow their entire clip, without being able to kill a single target.

I personally fire my shots in a paced manner, much like with the L8A61. Since it's semi-automatic, you'll eventually get lucky and hit a target thats trying to escape from your fire. Much like the L8A61, you could be pointing your crosshairs directly at the person's head from a 100m off, and you still won't headshot him. The semi-automatic rifles are a gamble.

Long range headshots maybe impossible (cannt say for sure), but I do know I had sniper battles with a Norwegian sniper over distances of 400 meter. He allways used the Type88, because it was more or less his trademark at the time. He could get hits on anybody over that distance even when they were on the move. But it is very rare to see somebody with that degree of proficiency in the game using a semi.

I'm sure hes made many good shots over the span of his lifetime. You're going on second-hand experience, while I'm merely basing my information on my own experiences. Pick up a Type-88 and you'll see why I'm not a big fan of it. Then again... you might just use it as a Medium-Range Rifle like the L8A61. In which case, you'll probably fall in love with it, like 90% of the people who play on IO Jalalabad do with the SVD.

They both do the same amount of damage as the PKM at a faster ROF.

The PKM is easier to control.

Prone + 2-3 burst shots > 2-3 rapid fire pistol-style shots while tugging down on the mouse.

You would be the first person in the history of this game being able to kill people unscoped over a distance of 150 meters or more (short range 0 -149 , medium range 150 - 299 , long range 300 - 449 and extreme long range 450 - 600)

Semantics caused by a mistake in my grammar. I know I didn't hint at it, but I meant that a blind shot in CQC would usually lead to the situation that I explained earlier.

From my own personal experience I can say that hitting running targets is very hard to do. Over a distance of 300 meters you have to be very proficient at handling the weapon.

Anybody who has ever handled an M24, or an L9A61 for a short period of time, will be able to get the timing of the distance/shot down to memory. In only twenty hours of use, I have very little difficulty hitting moving targets with some marginal degree of success. Of course, I've also been known to lob 20+ shots in a row and only managing to hit a couple body shots for a bunch of crappy Kill Assists. Still, I think my success has to do with the fact that I'm willing to take chances, and am willing to waste bullets for those chances.

I'm not a conventional sniper. I frequently run out of Ammunition due to my trigger-happiness. Thats why I have such a poor Accuracy %.

I know some of the best shots in this game and even they rarely take shots at running targets, but rather wait for their stamina to run out. If you have played the game long enough you can allmost estimate with 100% precision when this will happen.

Stamina bursts make this annoying. Personally, I haven't the patience to wait for 'one' target to slow down. I'd rather just shoot at his buddy who is prone or crouching. Even if I only hit a moving target once out of three shots, I still soften him up enough for an easy/crappy kill assist. (It's still 1 point...) Besides that; you'd be suprised how often you'll get lucky enough for the bullet to go straight through their head.

I mean, hey, you don't know until you try... and try... and try again.

Recoil Specs for both the M24/L96A1 and the M95 are the same (source: BF2 Weapons Chart (Update: 09/04/2006) - [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1).

Indeed they are.

The M95 has a strange animation after each shot is fired. It bounces around for me.

Also note that the M95 has a better feel in medium ranged shots. If I know I won't be doing any long-ranged sniping, I have no problems with picking up the M95 and blasting away at medium distance. For long ranged shots, I have yet to be able to steadily headshot people like I would with the M24, or the L9A61. I don't know if this has to do with worse accuracy, or if it has to do with a different feel in the guns.

All I know is, despite being Bolt-action. The M95 has a VERY different feel from the M24 and the L9A61.

This all comes from personal experience. Not a chart.

However, now that I look at a chart... There are very staggering differences in "Deviation in Zoom" stats. Maybe this would explain the very different feel in the guns. (Clicky)

[Jemme101]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

First off. Let me say.

Wow. I feel important now.

Semantics.

So glad that I made you important :)

First of all, the semantics. You state that ...

I use most guns equally, but I too prefer to stray away from the SVD, and the Type-88 sniper rifles. Although they're automatic and great in a quick shot pinch; they're horribly inaccurate. Worse than the M95.

The M95 I find is also a wonderful weapon; although at longer distances it is a rather pathetic gun. It's as inaccurate as the SVD and the Type-88; so long range headshots are difficult, and moving targets are a no-no completely.

... they are either the same or they are not. You claim both in the same post

the L8A61

the L8A61 ... eh the what?

Most people who use the SVD or the Type-88 just spam shots, while pulling down on their mouse, hoping that the motion of the mouse will offset any recoil. Hence why there are so many people out there who blow their entire clip, without being able to kill a single target.

Actually the semi-auto's are best used by moving up with recoil instead of down. So aim for the body and pull down a bit with each shot. That way you have to compensate less with each round fired. I rarely use the semi's anymore but thats what I did before.

I'm sure hes made many good shots over the span of his lifetime. You're going on second-hand experience, while I'm merely basing my information on my own experiences. Pick up a Type-88 and you'll see why I'm not a big fan of it. Then again... you might just use it as a Medium-Range Rifle like the L8A61. In which case, you'll probably fall in love with it, like 90% of the people who play on IO Jalalabad do with the SVD.

My experience with the Norwegian Type88 sniper is firsthand, read my post.
I dont know what that L8A61 is, I dont use semi's, I dont play on IO servers, I snipe from what ever range I plz and I am certainly not 90% of the people in any way, shape or form.

Anybody who has ever handled an M24, or an L9A61 for a short period of time, will be able to get the timing of the distance/shot down to memory. In only twenty hours of use, I have very little difficulty hitting moving targets with some marginal degree of success.

This all comes from personal experience. Not a chart.

Allthough my experience is very limited with this Kit (740+ hours), the Sniper Rifles (280+ hours, mostly Bolt-Action), sweet range is between 250 and 300 meters; moving targets are hard to hit, cost a lot of ammo on average, give away your position and coincidently will force you to move around more in search of a new sniping spot or ammo. Hey but dont take it from me, you got it all nailed down allready

However, now that I look at a chart... There are very staggering differences in "Deviation in Zoom" stats. Maybe this would explain the very different feel in the guns. (Clicky)

That BF2s datasheet is worthless as has allready been proven dozens of times in the past. Stick with the one made by Black_Duck_1.

[Dairuka]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

the L8A61 ... eh the what?

L85A1, sorry. It's a medic gun.

Actually the semi-auto's are best used by moving up with recoil instead of down. So aim for the body and pull down a bit with each shot. That way you have to compensate less with each round fired. I rarely use the semi's anymore but thats what I did before.

I see.

My experience with the Norwegian Type88 sniper is firsthand, read my post.
I dont know what that L8A61 is, I dont use semi's, I dont play on IO servers, I snipe from what ever range I plz and I am certainly not 90% of the people in any way, shape or form.

Thats good. L85A1.

I like sniping on Sharqui and Mashtuur, although Mashtuur becomes pretty hazardous with the lack of good cover in the open fields.

Sadly, Jalalabad is where I get my best scores, even though it's annoying getting run down by a stray FAV.

Allthough my experience is very limited with this Kit (740+ hours), the Sniper Rifles (280+ hours, mostly Bolt-Action), sweet range is between 250 and 300 meters; moving targets are hard to hit, cost a lot of ammo on average, give away your position and coincidently will force you to move around more in search of a new sniping spot or ammo. Hey but dont take it from me, you got it all nailed down allready

Perhaps it's the difference in playstyle that changes my tune. I don't stay in one spot. I move around like a normal infantry player. (I thought that was pretty clear based on the first post) Thus the majority of my moving targets are within 100m-200m range. Ammo is pretty common place with all the support players running around, so I usually only conservate when I'm on my last clip, and even then, I have no qualms with pulling out my pistol and using just that until I die, or find a crate.

That BF2s datasheet is worthless as has allready been proven dozens of times in the past. Stick with the one made by Black_Duck_1.

Thats nice.

I still fail to see why the M95 doesn't live up to the M24, or L9A61. I use it for closer ranged battles if given the choice (IE, while waiting for the spawn timer to pass, while a flag is under attack.)

[imported_Dimitrov]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.



So stop whining just learn to use and play!

[Dairuka]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

Do you really calculate Trigonometry before you fire each shot?

[Sike]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

It was rumoured that this gun would instant kill with one shot, but this is not true.

acually it is true the L96A1 will kill someone with one hit if u hit them in Neck or head

[Kapukluk]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

Yeah, I like playing sniper too. But I generally end up balancing my hours with all the classes. I have about 50 hours on each one.

[Parsaw]

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I don't like snipers. They promote lone-wolfism.

[Jemme101]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

I don't like snipers. They promote lone-wolfism.

[Tulsazorro63]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

I don't like snipers. They promote lone-wolfism.

That's true, but some of us prefer to be lone-wolfs. I like sniping. In not as quick as everybody else is when it comes to drop, roll and fire when I run into a bad guy. So I'll take my shots where I can get them. One thing the sniper is good for as far as the team goes is spotting and calling out the enemy... I try to help the team that way.

[nicej]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

acually it is true the L96A1 will kill someone with one hit if u hit them in Neck or head

yea agreed. but u can get an instat head shot kill with any guy. but its good that if its not hs they can still live, because if they made it one shot - one kill then it would just become the awp of bf2. i would it every situation. one shot bam ur down/it would be redicalous/they ppl would whine about that rather than the good ol' g36e.

[Bald-Eagle11]

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Guys

Sniper has become very popular of late due to the advent of Infantry Only .

The Mec basic sniper gun rocks to me . Tody i was satnding on top of the roof just before the Hotel and sniping into the hills ,,4 SHOTS FROM THE SAME MAGAZINE AND 3KILLS .

I forgot what they call this Rifle but it sure as hell is the best sniper rifle for mein the game .

I only have 1 Hr 15 min to go before i can gun for Expert on sniper .

[imported_Dimitrov]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

No m8 i just learned to use it rightway!

Bald it is called Sniperskaya Vintovka Dragunova (SVD)

[Bullit_toof]

Re: So I've been playing a Sniper a lot lately.

It seems funny that people aren't willing to take 'hard' shots just to conserve their accuracy stats. Just try and kill the bugger ffs.

Granted some people might not want to give their positions away but when there are UAV's and commander scans spoiling your fun, there's little point!

[Maverick2201]

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i'd love to see only one change with the sniper kit... i think if you get hit by a sniper bullet (even if they only did it for the M95), they should do the blurred vision/thumping heart thing you get when an explosion goes off close to you... i think it would actually put some fear of snipers in the infantry... right now you don't really fear a sniper... if you get hit, you just run to the nearest medic and grab an insta-heal...