Down With IO!

[Lazza66]

Re: Down With IO!

The problem with the IO supporters debate is that they insist anti-IO posters are incapable outside vehicles and whore them for points.

Whereas in truth many of the anti-IO ppl here like myself can post scoresheets with top 3 placings with pretty much any kit, any map in either vanilla or IO. But sniper or spec ops probably wouldn't be possible for me personally.

Furthermore top placings and the accompanying points are assumed to be us "vehicle whores" motivation for playing. That's total crap, the win and having fun are the reasons I play. My usual class and playing pattern are inherently low scoring, and I don't care.

The next problem is that for many of them this mistaken claim seems to be their only argument.

edit:
To prove a point to Combat-Quokka, jsr, blade.verzilli TF, and Turnip I played Jalalabad IO tonight. On the first full round (I didn't even warm up on the 1st round only 24 tickets left) I got 1st on the team, as support. (See Pic).

Now I got a kdr of 4:1, slightly better than my tank kdr of 3.8:1. Also I got a spm on that round of 7 and my usual spm is 1.81. With practice I'm sure I could do better as support. I played medic next and got silver.

See I know I've been capable of scoring like this, on Karkand for example, for over a year now. But I CHOOSE not to. Not so that I can tank whore, because that's just not what I do with the armour anyway. I play a role, like a shortstop, that I've described elsewhere here.

Why would I be "whoring armour" when that role yields a similar kdr, but only 1/3rd of my infantry spm, your argument doesn't add up.

Now if you think you can still claim that I need the crutch of a tank, can't play infantry roles, and for some reason try to "armour whore" infantry kills on barren maps then you really need to consider some maths revision.

[Batausu]

Re: Down With IO!

The problem with the IO supporters debate is that they insist anti-IO posters are incapable outside vehicles and whore them for points.

See, I don’t think any of you anti-IO guys are incompetent players outside of a vehicle.
But you keep complaining about something optional that a lot of people seem to love.
IO is the first mode added. Instead of criticize it, I think we should thank them for it and ask for more.
I agree, it’s not perfect, it has a number of flaws, but it brings something different to the table. Sometimes I get bored with the same game play on vanilla. I don’t want to play some other game, so I enjoy a little IO or POE.
POE is a good mod, but it’s stressful sometimes, same as vanilla.
IO is relaxing, but a bit boring if ingested too much. :p
Why do you feel the need to question the way people choose to play a game?
All these arguments, like not enough good servers left or unbalanced scoring in IO, don’t seem to affect but a few. As long as I have fun, I don’t care at all if someone gets more points then me playing IO. And there are so many servers and more appear every day, I’m not concerned right now those servers may run out.

[StalkerZERO]

Re: Down With IO!

Umm.....wut is IO???

[VC_Resurrected]

Re: Down With IO!

if u and others hate tankers so much then why dont you become excellent at antitank and put them in their place. yea tank/apc may be a extra advantage over Infantry, but an infantry placed in a TOW has a MAjor advantage over a silly old tanker. and a AT, can take out atleast 1 tank efficiently, until they run out of rockets, where the resupply comes into it. plus if theres a medic or two in your squad, you can put infront an amazing opposing force towards a tank, in a lot of cases him jumping out then u or other gunning him down.

Thats balls my friend, first of all you cant walk around with a TOW, you have to use them as they are placed in maps (which is infrequent and quite often in the most annoying positions with trees in the way etc), so there is absolutely no mobility which obviously gives someone in armour a massive advantage. An experienced tank player will also blow up any TOWs in his way, so what do you do then?
The AT class is without a doubt the most difficult class in the game, and people who are very good at it generally only get a very minor percentage of their points actually killing armour.

See, I don’t think any of you anti-IO guys are incompetent players outside of a vehicle.
But you keep complaining about something optional that a lot of people seem to love.
IO is the first mode added. Instead of criticize it, I think we should thank them for it and ask for more.
I agree, it’s not perfect, it has a number of flaws, but it brings something different to the table. Sometimes I get bored with the same game play on vanilla. I don’t want to play some other game, so I enjoy a little IO or POE.
POE is a good mod, but it’s stressful sometimes, same as vanilla.
IO is relaxing, but a bit boring if ingested too much. :p
Why do you feel the need to question the way people choose to play a game?
All these arguments, like not enough good servers left or unbalanced scoring in IO, don’t seem to affect but a few. As long as I have fun, I don’t care at all if someone gets more points then me playing IO. And there are so many servers and more appear every day, I’m not concerned right now those servers may run out.

Nicely put. Why dont a few of you anti-IO maniacs listen to this guy.

[Paas]

Re: Down With IO!

Ok, am I the only one here who is able to see that this entire thread/debate is entirely pointless?

First off. You're all mostly bickering about the dynamics of a already flawed, and exploited, ranking system changing; ...which is just silly by the way. EA probably understood their ranking system was moot in BF2. Everyone recalls the time where the top 10 was just a constant shifting of stat-padders; least I do.

In addition to that, few of you seem to be able to grasp that IO is simply a modification of the current gamemode "Conquest". You don't have to play it.

...but, on the flip side of the coin, people would be silly to dismiss the fact that the vast majority of the community was of the 24/7 Karky' variant. So, in turn, when you give them the option to remove the assets and vehicles the bulk of them complained about it does tend to shift server availability in favor of IO mode. Is that a bad thing? Hell, I don't know, I gave up on vBF2 ages ago. Is it a good thing? ...well, considering BF2 is supposed to be "Combined Arms" and IO mode was implemented so poorly, no. Anyways, what I'm getting at here is the Anti-IO folks are not completely without merit. I guess from their perspective they could see the potential of a primarly "Vehicle-Retarded" (Face the facts, vehicles are a lot harder to master in comparison to ground pounding) community shifting to almost exclusively IO. Scary thought for some.

Let it go though folks. It has been said before, and with a certain tang' of wisdom, "IO isn't going anywhere". Besides, regardless of what EA says BF2 is a dying game in their eyes; ...their eyes are "Money Green".

Hell, if it makes you feel any better you could just buy into the theory the EA is trying to piss off the BF2 community enough to entice them to give 2142 a look. I don't know, don't care, but please stop the childish, unprogressive, and flame-filled bickering! It's taking up too much damn forum space!

{WP}Paas

[imported_Dingdong]

Re: Down With IO!

No one forces you to join an IO server

-Forest

Agreed its pretty cool doing IO Road to Jal....w/e it is.. = SNIPER WARS!:p

[Mekstizzle]

Re: Down With IO!

IO mode itself isn't annoying, i just don't join servers with it. People can play it all day to get super infantry stats but at the end of the day, nobody actually ****ing cares about stats. You get people coming here going "look at my super stats" then by the end of the topic you've already forgot who the OP was. Then you get some people who are well known because of their super stats.
Again, at the end of the day. Nobody actually cares. Chances are you're never going to meet these people, if you do, which is usually very rare, what are they gonna do?

Laugh at you because they have better stats then you in a game? Then what? I think they would actually feel more pathetic when they think about what they are saying and doing.

[12:oc7ock]

Re: Down With IO!

There are plenty still servers that offer it too, play on them and be happy.

as I do Just giving my .02

[Donkey]

Re: Down With IO!

Hey look it's BattleStrike: Source

[VC_Resurrected]

Re: Down With IO!

Hey look it's BattleStrike: Source

mother of god, this joke is older than my grandmother.

[ColdCircuitCash]

Re: Down With IO!

How about YOU stfu and live with it. Don't tell someone to stfu when IO came from little noobs complaing cuz they kept getting blown apart by tanks and were to retarded to go get there own

Bajawoojie--I'm with you, BF2 was made with vehicles and should stay that way. It makes no sense fighting without vehicles, I guess we walked across the ocean to fight in the Middle East.

I can completely understand and empathize with your frustration, however IO mode is only an additional mode Dice has offered us. Like previous post before....if IO mode just isn't your thing. join a 24/7 server and get your J-10 on or something. IO ISN'T the only way to go.

P.S I love IO

CCC

IO mode itself isn't annoying, i just don't join servers with it. People can play it all day to get super infantry stats but at the end of the day, nobody actually ****ing cares about stats. You get people coming here going "look at my super stats" then by the end of the topic you've already forgot who the OP was. Then you get some people who are well known because of their super stats.
Again, at the end of the day. Nobody actually cares. Chances are you're never going to meet these people, if you do, which is usually very rare, what are they gonna do?

Laugh at you because they have better stats then you in a game? Then what? I think they would actually feel more pathetic when they think about what they are saying and doing.

I can totally agree with your perspective on stats in BF2. The only thing I really get out of my stats is Piece of mind really. I know that I've worked for every single badge, ribbon, and medal hard as I could without cheating a single time. It kinda just sets me apart in my own eye. Like for instance maybe no one else does this but, when i'm fighting the enemy, and even when i'm running around with my teamates, I notice rank. Now yes I am aware that many people have started new accounts (hence out helo-ing me as a prvt.) and ALSO 2 star generals who couldn't kill a group of 5 enemies with me hovering over in the Mi-28 and him on the cannon. But back to ranks..

Anway man, at least for me ranks just let me know what i'm capable of, and what i need to work on. Yes I study my BF2s.com's. However I don't go down the street with a gold "First Sergeant" on my T-shirt either.
Just my .02C

CCC

[Lazza66]

Re: Down With IO!

See, I don’t think any of you anti-IO guys are incompetent players outside of a vehicle.
But you keep complaining about something optional that a lot of people seem to love.
IO is the first mode added. Instead of criticize it, I think we should thank them for it and ask for more.
I agree, it’s not perfect, it has a number of flaws, but it brings something different to the table. Sometimes I get bored with the same game play on vanilla. I don’t want to play some other game, so I enjoy a little IO or POE.
POE is a good mod, but it’s stressful sometimes, same as vanilla.
IO is relaxing, but a bit boring if ingested too much. :p
Why do you feel the need to question the way people choose to play a game?
All these arguments, like not enough good servers left or unbalanced scoring in IO, don’t seem to affect but a few. As long as I have fun, I don’t care at all if someone gets more points then me playing IO. And there are so many servers and more appear every day, I’m not concerned right now those servers may run out.

I turned a blind eye to Karkand and it's high spm grenade / revive point farmers for over a year. I knew that what they were doing had ruined the generalisability of stats.

I shouldn't have. During that time they were busy whining about "armour whores" and such. Regardless of the armour threat they all spawned into the game as support or medic intent on farming the map for points, yet still they whined.

Ulitimately this resulted in IO "mode". Not content with already being able to play the highest spm map 24/7 they still wanted more. So we had our chance of a good optional game mode wasted on these point farming nubs just so they can rank up some more.

So now the generalisability of stats is even worse, because they already needed divided by map (i.e. my Karkand spm is nn, my Karkand kdr is nn), but now we have this "soft" game mode that clouds the whole thing even more.

I'm tired of "nobody forces you to join IO" crap, where was that attitude when "nobody forces you to play BF2" was equally valid for them? The line should have been drawn at vBF Karkand 24/7, IO just goes too far in feeding these points junkies to the extent they can't even bear to try another map or kit.

Why is it that only those with Karkand in their top 3 also supported IO mode?

http://bf2s.com/player/58722607/

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Down With IO!

who cares just play the game, and why is everyone so concerned about bobbyjoe getting more points than u...

[Blud]

Re: Down With IO!

If they only would have made NO JETS MODE instead of IO. Everyone would be happy.

[Lazza66]

Re: Down With IO!

who cares

Obviously a lot of people care, otherwise there wouldn't be so many detailed hot threads about the topic.

Why ask a question when you're looking at the answer?