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**ThIrD-EyE** · 09-08-2006, 06:20 AM

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IMO IO mdoe is great. i love the chaos of bullets flying around you while you try and take flags. yeah its true its pretty much all medics snieprs and support, but i dont care, because i like the fast paced chaos. i tihnk IO mdoe is a better simulattion of urban combat and real battles because of all the people in 1 area. the only thing i would like to see less of is nade spamming. also, anyone who thinks that IO mode is just like CS are wrong. its nothing like CS, its better than CS. im really happy with patch 1.4 despite some things not getting fixed that should have been 4-5 patches ago. one thing that i think would be really fun is an armor only mode.

**HeavyJunk** · 09-08-2006, 06:46 AM

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I have played IO mostly on the new Jalalabad map and loved it! A few rounds on a 16 player Karkand and it was fun also.
I am enjoying not having to run around as AT most of the time or dealing with jets and attack choppers.
Unfortunatley, I can see the future trend on the larger 32/64 player maps is gonna be nade spamming and too many snipers. Also, If you are ranked above Major , watch out...they tend to single you out in a group for the first target LOL. I was running around in a squad of six and was almost always the first dropped in the Jalalabad chaos.
Fun stuff, but as I mentioned I hope the support guys (nade spamming) and snipers dont ruin it.

**Consultant01** · 09-08-2006, 06:59 AM

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Played IO on mashtuur last night and it sucked pretty bad.

The map is too big and too spread out and had WAY too many snipers. just my opinion.

SF maps is where IO shines.

**WolfAlmighty** · 09-08-2006, 10:46 AM

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Since everyone's tossing their 'what would make IO better' hat into the ring, I may as well repost the suggestions I made in another thread on the matter (which most people probably didn't see because it wasn't an IO thread to start with

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•Since the only vehicles that would be there would be unarmed ones and the only way to kill someone with one would be to run them over, you really wouldn't get much use out of an AT rocket (not to mention how the buggy hit detection usually causes rockets to go clean through speeding Vodniks and FAVs anyway), and by the same token since the only vehicles that would be around would be transport which, I'm assuming, would be fairly plentiful there wouldn't be much need for repairing them. Therefore, I would combine AT and Engineer classes into the 'Vehicle' class. Give them both AT mines and AT rockets, keep the wrench, take away the body armour, and give them a choice of weapon loadouts between shotguns (engineer default) or SMGs (AT default). With no vehicles there'd be no need for this class at all, but with just light vehicles there's no need for two anti-vehicle classes with short-ranged infantry weapons, so they would need more perks to make them a desirable class. Combining the two would do the trick.
•Combine Assault and Medic, and take away their ability to revive teammates. Give them body armour. Medic already is, essentially, the pseudo-assault class anyway, so why not make it official? Just give them body armour and call it done, but take away the ability to resurrect teammates in battle. This would put more emphasis on keeping the squad leader alive and also prevent it from being an overpowered class (which medic is in IO mode, no use denying it).
•Combine Spec Ops and Sniper class, giving them both C4 and claymores and allow them to choose between either a carbine or a sniper rifle. Basically make this the sabotage class, but make claymores both destructable by explosives again and make them FF-on only. For shorter-visibility maps like Karkand people would choose the carbines and for longer-ranged maps they would probably choose the sniper rifle.
•Keep support the same as it is now, but allow them to deploy their LMG as a mounted MG. I've mentioned this idea before a LONG time ago (back when LMGs were still ridiculously inaccurate) and I still think it would have merit, even moreso in an IO mode. The LMG could be on a tripod and have a full 360° motion, but unlike the typical mounted MG it only has one full clip on it and has to be resupplied via ammo pack before it can be reloaded. When deployed (which would take about 5 seconds to prevent it from being abused by having it an instant thing) ANYONE can use it and it has the same accuracy/recoil as a regular mounted MG would, but the support trooper wouldn't be able to use his LMG until he picks it back up again. Like how mortars worked in BF:V. Combining this with my insta-prone suggestion (below) would make support a defensive class only as they're intended, but a damned good one, and wouldn't step on assault/medic's toes at all.
•Take away supply crates. This makes people rely on their teammates for ammo and health, and commander assets would need to be better protected (also giving another need for the Vehicle class).
•Reduce the splash radius on hand grenades. This would instantly cut down on many of the complaints about nade spam. Splash radius on hand nades should be reduced to just a little larger than what a GL nade is right now.
•Reduce the amount of cone-of-fire/deviation on all guns across the board, barring the standing/crouching deviation of LMGs which would be fine as it is now. If guns were more accurate there would also be less need for nade spam since the guns themselves would be more lethal.
•Eliminate insta-prone accuracy. When you hit the prone key, your accuracy will be the same as that as if you were jumping (back when you could still jump and shoot) for about 2-3 seconds and it will then settle down into the best possible accuracy. BF1942 and BF:V veterans will remember this feature well. Proning would only be used as a defensive position, not a 'come-around-the-corner-and-belly-flop-against-someone-5-feet-away' position.

Some of the class combination features I believe are occurring in BF2142 (correct me if I'm wrong, though...I haven't read much on BF2142 TBH) but in a mode where a big chunk of the initial BF2 game has been taken out there isn't as much need for class diversity, so I think we could do with just 4 classes.

Just a few of my thoughts. Of course, it goes without saying that it would be great if they could reduce hit detection errors and shabby netcode, but that's probably a whole other story.

~Wolfgang

**Sir Harry** · 09-08-2006, 10:39 PM

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The new Jalalabad map is great but where is Osama bin Lando?

Allah Akbar

**74javelin** · 09-09-2006, 12:20 AM

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if you don't like IO don't play it. just like i don't like jets in the game so i don't go on air maps. it's that easy, and quit telling people to play another game. all this whinning isn't going to make EA pull the IO. IO is here to stay.

i can't say if i like IO yet since i've only played the new map IO.

as far as karkand- before 1.4 i always went for first flag on foot. so nothing will change for me in IO karkand.

you know what i think would help IO a lot is if the flags where all gray but the mains or if the flags where split 50/50 on the big maps. then groups would be more split up and not two walls of teams.

**sassback** · 09-09-2006, 01:57 AM

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it is nothing more than legfalized statpadding... but that does not mean it isnt fun as hell. i for one like it to a certain degree.

*FMJ*Bird · 09-09-2006, 08:42 AM

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Such crap and fodder in here. The USMC can crack a flag in IO Karkand in a heartbeat. There are too many chances to get through.

Stop drinking your bathwater and get in a few real games on a decent server and save the fairy tales to bash the fun everyones having.

Vehicles junkies are in an uproar because all the players that are left that dont play any IO are teammates that prefer the e key to get the dominant equipment. Sitting at the uncap or carrier instead of playing the game and helping cap flags. I think its great they will see an increase in AT and engineer classes in the regular vanilla servers.

**BlueBunny63** · 09-09-2006, 12:03 PM

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Long live IO!

Don't believe the anti-IO hype on this board - it's a blast and there's a lot more teamwork than these whining vehicle whores would want you to believe.

People talk about IO being stat-padding, but they're got it 180 degrees wrong. Yes, there are more snipers, and yes, that’s a natural part of infantry combat. When it’s man-vs-man, the guy who hits first generally wins. And sniper rifles allow you to hit first.

IO isn’t stat-padding: Real stat padding is what happens when someone earns their expert Anti-Tank badge while flying the J10, or gets that expert medic combat badge by gunning in the MEC chopper on Sharqi at the TV tower spawn. Neither situation has anything to do with the badges conferred. Nada, zip, zilch. No skill, no pride. Just stat-padding. If there were pilot-only classes, I wouldn't say that. But allowing pilots to earn non-pilot awards by piloting is idiotic in the extreme.

Now there is actually a chance to play the game like a foot soldier, and to work with your squaddies, instead of trying to run through the bodies piled around the spawn-camping vehicles, trying to escape so you can go and cap a flag elsewhere while dodging artillery and Vodniks raining down on your head.

Face the facts, pilots, tankers, and APC spawn-rapists: nobody ever liked you, and we're so glad to be rid of you now.

Why? It wasn’t just the miserable KDRs we had to endure. It wasn’t just the fun for us of having invincible airplanes pounding anything that moved on the ground. It wasn’t even the joy of being stat-padded by the enemy commander’s artillery that we missed, although it was enjoyable to know that our useless and unavoidable spawn-raped-by-artillery deaths were helping him to earn his Expert Ground Defense while sitting in an MG position, yelling at himself on the other side of the map.

No, we’re glad you’re gone because you were selfish. You were never team players in the first place, you were just using everyone on foot as easy kills. And it wasn’t just the enemy, you went wild killing your own team, if they stood in the way of you getting “your J10” or “your MI-28”.

Pilots and tankers were by far the worst people for team-kills, and the vehicles were such a gold mine of effortless points they fueled a frenzy of TKs and abusive kicks by admins, everyone was salivating over their next airplane or helo. Half the team stood around the whole round, fighting over spawning helos and aircraft. Even tanks. It was pathetic.

Was that teamwork? Were those people concerned about helping their team? It’s always been just about the points for those guys. And now they whine because we don’t have to be their victims and give them free points any longer.

Now that we have IO, we have an escape from the 14 year old spawn rapists and J10 stat-padders.

Now it's time for the real team players, the guys who actually like to get in a squad and play some hard core infantry warfare, to leave you to your 24/7 Wake/Dalian a.k.a. Chinese Airforce Statpadding servers. People will drift away from those Vehicle Whore Paradises now, and they will discover how much fun the game can be, without being fodder for vehicles the whole round. Enjoy playing with your toys, ever fewer people, and eventually, all alone, whining about the good old days when you used to go 67:4 on 24/7 Wake.

Or better yet, why not join an IO server and see how easy it is to go 37:1 when you’re actually running and gunning for once?

**SJB** · 09-09-2006, 12:18 PM

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blue bunny i love your sig

Bak to the topic..... I think its pretty cool. You don't have to worry about a tank when you are capturing a flag.

**WolfAlmighty** · 09-09-2006, 01:36 PM

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