The Aviators Guide

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It was a great Guide, rele helps, thanks a lot!!

[Chris_Redfield]

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This is seriously stupid PlaneWhore.

For one, there are MULTIPLE types of bombing. I use Xennores method, "your" (the standard and VERY average method) method, horizontal drop and pure divebombing, all depending on whats going on. For example, if I attack a flag which is covered by multiple AAs, I gladly drop a bomb from 200 ft onto the nest of an AA.

After watching the video Chris posted I'm convinced this method of bombing is inferior to my technique

Do NOT judge Xennores video by what I made in my video. For one, I played with the lowest possible settings, and view distance was set to 80%, AND I didnt have any indication of the target on my HUD, which basically reduces at LEAST 200 feet from altitude, and 150-200 feet from approach corridor. My video doesnt even show how I play in pubs, and I do bomb stationary targets from 200-300 feet height with PINPOINT precision.

Xennores moves advantage is extreme, encouraged method for ALL JFS pilots. Because it allows people to drop bombs from safety.

(which is nothing fancy and is pretty standard).

Bull. The "standard" method is what YOU are using. Which is the simpliest and most basic method. You might not remember, but upon watching your video just recently, the one you made nearly a year ago, you bombed Con. Site using the same angle and HUD release as Xennore did.

You've got to ask yourself the following question: can this alternate bombing technique destroy a tank moving at full speed with a high rate of success with a single bomb?

Your method opens you for an attack. Xennores method leaves him out of reach of AA. Your attack is great for any and all types of targets (STILL; leaving you open for an attack), Xennores method is for precision-drop at stationary targets at safe altitude.

However, once mastered, theres proper lead, and proper hit in moving targets.

If the answer is no then it's case closed.

I think you closed the case yourself once you started pissing on a guy with great skills just because youre jealous of the publicity.

Of course you can hit near a stationary tank with two close bombs and maybe destory it but with half the payload I can directly hit a full speed tank right on the turret nearly 100% of the time which gives me the capability to destroy two tanks on a single reload.

If Xennores method is applied correctly, the bombs drop after one and other with minimum spread. Which in simple terms means- 2 bombs drop at one spot. In order to do this, you just have to point the nose down on second release. Its that simple. I use it all the time, even in casual attacks.

Also I noticed that bombing in this manner does not allow you to soften the target up with cannons.

If a bomber does what hes supposed to be doing, cannon use is minimal. I for example dont soften my targets, yet I kill them nonetheless.

When approaching a tank or APC to bomb I'll almost always hit them with a good 50+ cannon roads during my bombing approach and in the rare event the bomb doesn't hit them directly it'll still usually destroy them.

Thats because YOU do that. I kill a tank or an APC with a precision 2 bomb drop without using cannons at all.

If it ain't broke.. don't fix it.

Variety. The best pilots is the pilot utilizing multiple variants, each suitable the best for certain scenario. The more you know, the more you think, the better you are.


I think its NEEDLESS to say that if Xennore has mastered THIS bombing method, which I rank as pure art, then low altitude bombing isnt a problem for him. At all. Pay attention that the guy drops bombs in single mode.

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After watching the video Chris posted I'm convinced this method of bombing is inferior to my technique (which is nothing fancy and is pretty standard). You've got to ask yourself the following question: can this alternate bombing technique destroy a tank moving at full speed with a high rate of success with a single bomb? If the answer is no then it's case closed. Of course you can hit near a stationary tank with two close bombs and maybe destory it but with half the payload I can directly hit a full speed tank right on the turret nearly 100% of the time which gives me the capability to destroy two tanks on a single reload. Also I noticed that bombing in this manner does not allow you to soften the target up with cannons. When approaching a tank or APC to bomb I'll almost always hit them with a good 50+ cannon roads during my bombing approach and in the rare event the bomb doesn't hit them directly it'll still usually destroy them.

If it ain't broke.. don't fix it.

there are several ways to bomb and this is one of them. it is accurate... but depends if u know what your doing when going after moving targets.

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After watching the video Chris posted I'm convinced this method of bombing is inferior to my technique (which is nothing fancy and is pretty standard). You've got to ask yourself the following question: can this alternate bombing technique destroy a tank moving at full speed with a high rate of success with a single bomb? If the answer is no then it's case closed. Of course you can hit near a stationary tank with two close bombs and maybe destory it but with half the payload I can directly hit a full speed tank right on the turret nearly 100% of the time which gives me the capability to destroy two tanks on a single reload. Also I noticed that bombing in this manner does not allow you to soften the target up with cannons. When approaching a tank or APC to bomb I'll almost always hit them with a good 50+ cannon roads during my bombing approach and in the rare event the bomb doesn't hit them directly it'll still usually destroy them.

If it ain't broke.. don't fix it.

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Here is a movie done by me Enjoy!
http://www.coffslan.net/LaZaRuS/xennore.rar

its nice to see other pilots that can pinpoint drop the bomb from height.

good stuff!! :)


p.s. dont you do low flying attacking as well?

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How can I DL that video? Would like to practice this myself. But would like to have a copy instead of going to the tube to watch it.

Thanks!

[Sike]

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that is a serious vid it given me some kamakazi ideas

[Chris_Redfield]

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I have a few questions.....great video by the way, regardless of how many shots it was, very accurate.
1. To Chris Redfield, i would like your post on HOW to do this.
2. Is there any certain point at which he releases...and how.
3. do you have F12 bound to any other key?
4. Is changing the "killed" to "Owned" illegal (ie: will i get kicked if i do it by PB) And if not, how can i do it? : )

CCC

1.-2. Depends on approach. I use 2 general approach methods.
*Target somewhere in the center at the HUD line. I drop the bombs where the USMC fighters vertical lines tip is. I drop my nose down to send the second bomb right after first with no spread. As you know, the second bomb drops with a slight delay.
*Target is somewhere in the bottom part of the screen. I drop when the target is between the vertical lines tip and central aiming reticle, drop nose down for second bomb. Depending on the altitude (if Im lower than 200 feet) I drop while holding the target just below the central aiming reticle.

But I usually use the first method. Its extremely fun once youve mastered it. Its like shooting loops from behind 3 pts line, fun fun fun.

Also, HOW I do this, is shown in the HUD use tutorial video. Which you can find here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5GLrGtrbnc

3. I have the F12 (I assume you mean the FREE CHASE CAM view) binded to F key. I use a joyctick, and I dont use the bottom keys on the JS. My hat is all used up so I use KB keys aswell. Im used to fly with WS(throttle) AD(rudder) anyway, so a few extra keys on KB isnt an issue. Besides, with Logitech Attack 3, I used F for CHASE REAR and X for COCCPIT views.

4. Those are changes in Localization files which are client side ONLY and deal with ONLY the messages shown to YOU on YOUR screen. You can download Ringmasters or SaladForks Custom Localization files, look up for them using the "Search" feature. And no, they are not illegal. I personally use RingMasters files and all my buddies whom I have shown my screencaps, also use RMs.

[ColdCircuitCash]

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I have a few questions.....great video by the way, regardless of how many shots it was, very accurate.
1. To Chris Redfield, i would like your post on HOW to do this.
2. Is there any certain point at which he releases...and how.
3. do you have F12 bound to any other key?
4. Is changing the "killed" to "Owned" illegal (ie: will i get kicked if i do it by PB) And if not, how can i do it? : )

CCC

[Chris_Redfield]

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This is kinda off topic but how does his kills show the point count on screen and in yellow? Is that a little mod he added?

Altered "Localization Files", check search for "Localization Files", theres a topic made by Drunken Pirate and some other guy. Check them out and follow the instructions.

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This is kinda off topic but how does his kills show the point count on screen and in yellow? Is that a little mod he added?

[Chris_Redfield]

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PW, I can vouch for it. His bombing technique is impressively accurate and effective. I had no problem in replicating it using the HUD. Ive also posted up how to do it.

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A cherry picked video of all your best shots of course will result in an impressive looking performance and that can be counterproductive when new and inexperience pilots attempt to adapt your bombing technique. I too would like to see an uncut version of your pilot technique. If your computer chokes when you FRAPs (as mine does) I'd recommend you find a nice Battlerecorder enabled server play a couple rounds and upload the tiny BR file for people to view.

Interesting bombing technique regardless but I somehow doubt it's even a fraction as accurate and reliable as my low altitude medium sloping single bomb method. Of course you've got to be lower to the ground to properly use my technique so you've got a small defensive trade off but generally speaking that's not much of an issue. In addition when you bomb so high up it's pretty much impossible to hit moving targets. Even a tank which is hardly moving in a sporadic fashion is virtually invincible if you use only that bombing method and cannons work better on stationary targets such as AA sites so really this method is a square peg trying to fit in a round hole.

However your A2A technique for downing J-10s is impeccable. It's virtually identcial to what I do with the utilization of the fly-by view mode to spot your maneuvering target and of course the all important firing of the A2A missiles prelock. Also you never start with air to air versus a J-10 which is very important because aside from cannons a close-range sneak attack with prelock missiles is the only way to down them reliably.

Good video and good guide but I'd encourage you to put a disclaimer on the bombing technique showcased in your video because in anything but ideal circumstances it will fail.

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A little move done shortly before/after releasing bombs, depends on your position. Watch carefully, you'll notice it.

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Explain the "jink" please. Not sure what you're talking about.