Easiest way for DICE to fix the J-10 imbalance

[DesertFalcon]

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I agree if they are too lazy to spend 10secs to fix something i ownder what 2142 will be like.

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Tho Planewhore's idea sounds nice there is now way that dice can make it happen because the A2A and G2A missiles are the same, and if they can't figure out how to balance a plane I don't think they will createn a new missile just for that.

No. Both the surface to air missiles and air to air missiles have seperate values. All they have to do is change the air to air and they can leave the surface to air just as good as it is now.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Tho Planewhore's idea sounds nice there is now way that dice can make it happen because the A2A and G2A missiles are the same, and if they can't figure out how to balance a plane I don't think they will createn a new missile just for that.

Negative.

Sidewinder
Archer
Sa19 Grison
Igla
Seasparrow (Essex)
STINGER
Another Igla, looks to be the STA one.

This is the total number of things I found in the list that strikes me as a missile. This means that all missiles can be configured individually.

The problem here is, does PLA jets use Archers or something else?

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It seems like pretty much every single person in agrees with this simple solution which is an extremely rare thing to happen anywhere in the Battlefield 2 community. Hopefully DICE agrees too and actually reads this.

If you're not so sure that our thousands of collective hours of aircraft piloting make this a quality solution then simply stick the 1.12 air to air missiles in to your 1.4 patch BETA 3 and get some real feedback before you take the plunge. I'm not psyhic but I can tell you right now almost all the feedback will be positive. Positive not just from the standpoint of the aviator but from everybody. When planes become properly balanced it creates a trickle down type of balancing effect that will make maps such as Wake 2007 and Dalian Plant playable for the USMC team.

Probably wouldn't be a bad idea for someone to get in contact with some people at DICE Canada and point them to this thread so we can be sure they've at least read this nice chunk of feedback from the Battlefield 2 community and at the very least evaluate it. But again the collective thousands of hours of aircraft experience in this thread alone makes us the better judge by far. Listen to the gamers.

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For christ sake...DICE would have to be the most incompetent bunch of game developers ever. This has been suggested a million times since 1.3. Now a bunch of PROFESSIONAL game developers are crying to the community that "it's too hard to tweak our own game, were just a lazy bunch of overpaid dip****s who sit on our asses all day and eat cheatos while the community does all the work". I'm never buying another DICE or EA developed game after BF2. Quake wars will dominate 2142. Who would trust DICE and buy another one of their games while after a full year they still haven't been able to fix the core BF2. Not to mention 2142 will be on the same engine, and since most of the code will probably be copied and pasted expect it to have most of the bugs and problems were seeing now.

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The only bad thing... which.. would make everyone start b*tching all over again...


Instead of a 1-way rape fest on the carrier/airfield, now BOTH sides will just ignore eachother, and go on with their business... That is the whole reason why they went with better A2A I think, and fvcked it up big time.

You can't stop base rape or spawn rape its inevitable. At the start of a Wake round, you get the J10 at the carrier and the F35 at the Airfield.

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Tho Planewhore's idea sounds nice there is now way that dice can make it happen because the A2A and G2A missiles are the same, and if they can't figure out how to balance a plane I don't think they will createn a new missile just for that.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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The only bad thing... which.. would make everyone start b*tching all over again...


Instead of a 1-way rape fest on the carrier/airfield, now BOTH sides will just ignore eachother, and go on with their business... That is the whole reason why they went with better A2A I think, and fvcked it up big time.

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You know this is somewhat strange. So you have DICE who seem to be incompetent of fixing something, they could have just suggested what they could have done to the community to make themself look better. But instead they are now getting solutions from the community and from someone by the name of ''PlaneWhore''. Company comes along, ''how do you resolve issues in your games DICE, fixing issues, imbalances etc'' DICE say ''Well theres this one guy called PlaneWhore who said that would be a fast way to fix it''.

I've never actually seen something like this, its like they should be paying the community for the services of solutions and suggestions.

DICE, release maps or let the modders maps be tested and verified as legit and put on ranked. There is enough maps yeah, but nothing wrong with releasing a map to the community every now and then, like once a month. Remember most of your customers will be the ones looking into buying 2142. This is your motive from now on.

Support the Game. Support the Community.

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agreed at this stage 100%

they can't seem to do anything else

[Verzili]

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i also agree with planewhore quick fix idea.

im no expert aviator but even me in a j10 can go most of the round with out being shot down (1.3)

after all this fix has been ask for,for a long time now i have read many fix j10 issuses.

reverting back to 1.12 a2a sound a fair option to me.

still makes flying that little bit more skillfull,but aleast it give other jets a fighting chance againts a j10.

i dont think its fair that dice say its to hard ect,with out considering other forms of balance like planewhore as come up with.

which in all fairness seems a quick step in the right direction imo.

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Ok one thing, im just wondering if this solution is good:

Every Jet in the game is different, therefore people wouldn't want the F35 and the J10 the same. So what if you made all the missiles and hit boxes the same? then the plane still has its ability that differentiates itself from other Jets.

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I've always said A2A missiles shouldn't have changed. I agree with PlaneWhore's arguement and hope EA/DICE can too at the least. I'm sick of this ****ing crap.

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agreed

as a bonus - fix the essex missiles. they forgot to change them to the proper AA and they now miss almost all the time

Well, maybe not 10 seconds but how long could it take to copy/paste a tiny bit of old 1.12 code over the flawed 1.3 code?

in an enviroment, where programmers work on anonymous bits of code that they dont know part of what they are it isnt as easy as you, obviously not enterpise level programmer, think. big projects = lots of work OTHER than coding = lots of time

and as it is the EA, the man who wrote the AA code for the demo probably works somewhere else now, so all changes are made by people that dont know about code more than it is in the docs. and docs are not written by hand these days, they are autogenerated and in most times - sux. badly. so no 10 secs..

[Chris_Redfield]

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It's a miracle.

Me and Chris finally agree on aircraft balance. Now I know beyond a shadow of a doubt this is the way to go.

Make it happen DICE.

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:laugh:

I agree that this is the easiest method that will bring immediate result in the form of less complaining and people accepting it, because apart from people needing to do a lot more work for their kills, they also have more fun with not being killed without contest (F35B).

Is this the BEST method? No. Is this the fastest method that brings positive results that makes people happy(ier), absolutely.

Revert it.