Macros, yay or nay.

[baggygreen]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

I cant stand it, i've lately (well before i stopped playing for a bit) come across a few clans where the players were obviously using them. i made mention of it, i think my exact words were "mate, why cant you try pressing the buttons instead of using that stupid bloody macro? give yourself a chance to prove how good you really are" (he'd been mouthing off at everyone for a few rounds). I was promptly kicked for high ping, on a server where i never go above 110...

its cheating out and out. not as bad perhaps as other forms, but it is cheating and thts what counts. In my opinion, that is.

[JonnyMacFred102]

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Wanna see prone spamming, bunnny hopping and dolphin diving macro madness? Hop onto a 16 player knife and pistol (knife ONLY ones have more of them) and see. If you're lucky, you may find a player or more that is using one.

I went into this one called Knife Only 24/7, and this group of players with the |E| tag in front of their name all use the macros.

[Revoluti0n]

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This is the kind of crap that is causing Dice to nerf the game. It's not the occassional bunny hop, it's the hardcore macro kiddies.

[baggygreen]

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Amen to that revolution.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Its too bad that macros are actually useful in this game, so people concentrate on using them. It takes 3-5 direct hits to kill someone, with all the lag, and other issues, plus the high jumps and proning options, you can be nigh invincible... At least, with this, DICE is moving towards the right direction.

Some games allow macros automatically. For example in SWAT4, you can bind different functions with one key by separating the functions with | character.

G= togglefiremode | toggleflashlight | togglezoom

I imagine in BF2, using keys to bind together functions like zoom and firemode would make it a little easier for the gameplay. Or, immediately switch to gun after first grenade throw or whatnot.

So Im in favour using macros that make it a little simplier for your gameplay, or create your own custom variety, system. But macros that break the immersion. Boost up your survival. Like the prone-chouch-jump... Thats not something Id like. But since BF2 dynamics make it worth it for people to use it, its good that DICE is trying to keep this in check. Worst case would be for them to not to do anything... Or like they failed to fix it for the solo-choppers.

[vidh]

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I don't need macros - I've got micro. Why do people have to use things like that to kill people? Atleast when you do it yourself you know that it's skill

[cyberbex]

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not cheating.
an you can do it with any keyboard with a simple macro program an the knowledge on how to make macros or were to get them from.

[Auto-ER-]

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There is no macro I can't reproduce by hand. The only useful one I could think of is maybe hitting one button and entering a vehicle, then F2ing to the .50 cal, since sometimes I hit Esc instead , Other than that, prone spamming, C4 chucking, soloing, I can do it, the game has delays built in so it's not like you can make it do something beyond human ability. I don't see them as cheating, just useless, it's more annoying seeing people crying about them all the time, when most of the time people aren't even using them.

[IndianScout]

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Macro's

§1.3 You may not change (hack) any core games files, load into memory or employ external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players.

This would include but not limited to:
§ MSX and other 3rd party software.

there is a fine line when using 3rd party keyboard or mouse software for it's intended use or when binding it so it will reproduce movements or abilities that the normal player can not do..

[Sloi sauce]

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... and yet, people will still argue that macros are not a kind of artificial help to increase their performance. Is anyone really surprised ? The s*it people will tell themselves to justify using them.

[predragjanjic]

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[QUOTE=Sloi]Macros are a form of exploit/cheat.

(In the case of soloing)
By allowing your keyboard/macro to do all of the switching/guiding work for you, you're removing most of the skill required. Essentially, you're giving yourself a huge advantage in many different cases.

It's cheating, pure and simple.


yep

[Bungalow_Bill]

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I find it amazing and disgusting that so many people don't feel macros are a form of cheating, I can also tell by the poll results many people use macros themselves, and are trying to justify them. You can have a macro that goes to a crouch, 100ms later down to a prone, and fire an exacting burst of bullets 35ms apart. It's impossible to do that with a regular keyboard. That's a program or a piece of equipment that gives you an unfair advantage over players, bottom line. Punkbuster needs to start watching keystroke anomalies and for certain utilities running in memory and kick and eventually ban for them.

It isn't just the G15 though, plenty of programs and utilities exist to create rapid click macros, prone macros, ect. So having certain hardware isn't an excuse to cheat, and neither is having certain software.

I can say I'm completely legit and proud of it, and it wouldn't have it any other way. When I kill somebody, regardless if I'm a medic, in an airplane, or in a tank, I know that it was purely my skill that awarded me with that kill and nothing else. I know at least for me if I was using a macro of some sort it'd make all of my victories so hollow. I could never ever play like that and enjoy myself.

The Internet is the perfect place to do this though. Try and take one of those programmable autofire controllers to a console video game competition (SSB, SF ect..) where the other players can see you face to face and see what you're doing and see how other players react to your unfair advantage. They'll tell you to get the F out, that's what they'll do.

[Lanserschrek]

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There are legitimate uses for Macro's. I use a Logitech MX1000 mouse for instance and you can extend the functionality of your mouse with different binds. e.g All my default button presses are just assigned to weapons, but by depressing either Shift or Windows key you can have second or third functions such as zooming the mini-map, bringing up main map, answering yes/no etc, checking scoreboard, displaying squad screen, pickup kit, VOIP, change vehicle view etc. Basically allowing you to access all the standard game functions from the comfort of your mouse. This to me is perfectly legitimate as keyboard/mouse configurations are totally individual and it's up to us to find the most comfortable fastest way of interacting with the game.

Having said the above I don't agree with the bunny hopping, dolphin diving uses etc of macro's, it's just plain lame, detracts from the fun of the game and requires no skill or experience. I very rarely see macros in use in such a way but every now and again I'll see a bunny hopper surviving a full clip by using a macro instead of skill to come out on top. I just think it's more enjoyable to play the game and enjoy it naturally.

[Komet.nl]

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Macro's are given a really really bad name like with BF2 the Dolphin Diving.. Dice should have fixed that. Then what can't you do by hand and can you do with Macro's? Tell me.. Dolphin Diving is possible by hand, I can do it by hand..

Tell me what is not possible by hand that is possible trough macro's? I can't come up with anything I ]only use my macro's for Press Q and left mouse click so that it auto spots when I press that..

Hell no macro's aren't cheating they only make things easier but are things hard to do in BF2 what people with macro's can?

~ Komet

[Talus]

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There is a grey area between advanced binds and full-blown macros.

I have both a G15 and a Nostromo n52...I don't use macros for either one.

Even if it isn't really 'cheating', you're really castrating yourself in that you come to rely on that macro key. Learning how to perform the maneuver WITHOUT a macro..THEN you are truly skilled.