Macros, yay or nay.

[Flares]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

I had a run in the other night with a couple of (|SF| If I remember correctly, judging by pings they were US based) clan players using macros or some such assistance.
Further than 20 yards away I won every engagement and minced them up, but close up they came bouncing in like bunnies on acid (prone -jumping so fast the movement was almost blurred) and I had no chance. The main offender came top both rounds. I wouldn't call it cheating, but it's definitely exploiting imho.

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Macro's are given a really really bad name like with BF2 the Dolphin Diving.. Dice should have fixed that. Then what can't you do by hand and can you do with Macro's? Tell me.. Dolphin Diving is possible by hand, I can do it by hand..

Tell me what is not possible by hand that is possible trough macro's? I can't come up with anything I ]only use my macro's for Press Q and left mouse click so that it auto spots when I press that..

Hell no macro's aren't cheating they only make things easier but are things hard to do in BF2 what people with macro's can?

~ Komet

Like I said, every single macro you make will be more precise then recreating the action by hand. Even little macros like switching to a med kit and throwing down a pack and clicking to a rifle, or autospot an enemy will help. You can't do things so perfectly everything and it actually requires for you to reach for keys and hit them in the proper order as fast as possible all while still maintaining an accurate level of fire and movement. Macros = easy mode.

A more complex example:

I can hit crouch and prone in rapid sucession and generate a similar effect to the macro perfect prone diving, however it takes a fair deal of effort on my part and as a result does hurt my aiming by pulling my concentration away from that task. Holding down a key with a macro however I can have the macro prone, hold the key down for exactly 50ms, release the key, 50ms later hit the next key, hold the key down for exactly 250 ms, and then loop it to a single key. So all I have to do is depress a single key and suddenly I've got a macro exact down to the millisecond and I can aim much more accurately.

The other macro of course is fast clicking for TV missiles and the DAO-12. No, it is physically impossible to click the mouse a hundred times in a second.

I'm sure others exist, but those are the main ones I see being exploited currently.

[Talus]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

..but is there really a way to stop it?

I'm much more concerned about people using cheats than macros.

Once I know PB can reliably stop cheating...THEN I'll start worrying about macros

[imported_TheDragon]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Not cheating, perfectly fine.

you are all absolutely nuts
macros are definitely cheating
get caught and you are reset
(well - as there are so many obvous hackers.cheeaters.padders that get away with it - you might also)
but is STILL wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
read the rules

[big_sammy_b]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

it is cheating blatently no different to using a aimbot.

[Talus]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

It is different from using an aimbot...no macro could help you AIM.

..but I see your point

[baroque]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

of course its cheating, you use a third party thing to give you an advantage.
And its so obvious when you see players use macros in pronespamming for example, the do it so fast that the head is never seen. And people using that are ugly creeps, hate it

[Traci_Kila_Lords]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Very telling poll!

I can sum it up like this:

You use macros = vote ok

You don't = vote not ok

[Graphic]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

It's cheating by definition.

[Komet.nl]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

People who don't use macros think it are super-cheat-machine-robot-things. You can't do that many with them come on everyone can Dolphin Dive/Bunnyhop macro's aren't needed for that so!

My conclusion macros are not cheating as long as they don't give any advantage.

~KOmet

[baroque]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

havent you seen those who pronespam behind walls with macros? they do it so fast that the only thing you see is a weapon through the wall while they are concentrating the aim on you.

[imported_lightningmaster]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

WOW...I am far from being a techie and reading this just blew my mind!

Those who do this macro thing are just denying themselves the real SKILL required to manually play this game and be. This crap would not work on the paintball field!

IT IS CHEATING PURE AND SIMPLE! PERIOD!

*NYWW*Lightningmaster

https://www.newyorkwebwarriors.com

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

My conclusion macros are cheating as long as they don't give any advantage.

Thank you for this glorious conclusion Komet! Now we all know it is ok to use macros! Thank you!

Ahem..

You are not the decider Komet, DICE is. DICE has already decided, and it's considered cheating regardless if they "don't give an advantage" (which they all do to an extent).

..but is there really a way to stop it?

I'm much more concerned about people using cheats than macros

PB certainly could stop this sort of behavior but if they tried people would start bitching about their "privacy", as if punkbuster bots actually care what you're doing with your computer. To start, PB could be scanning memory and looking for certain macro utilities running in the background (about 2 utilities make up I'd guess roughly 70-80% of the macroers). Banning even 1 program from being loaded in to memory at the same time as BF2 would stop most macro newbies in their tracks.

In addition to that, Punkbuster could also watch for keystroke anomalies. Pretty simple, if Punkbuster sees the mouse pressed 15+ times a second for long enough or enough times it finally sends up a red flag and initiates a kick. To catch G-15 macros that don't click abnormally fast Punkbuster would also have to scan for other events like a player repeated X key combination with perfect delays down to the millisecond Y amount of times. You'd have to give people a few strikes though before laying down any kind of GUID or HW ban though.

But yeah, aimbotters certainly come first, and Punkbuster is behind the curve catching those cheaters, and based on that I'd estimate it's doubtful they'll ever apply the time and effort to stop macro users as well, even though it is the most common form of cheating in BF2 at the moment.

[tdream]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Absolutely cheating, if it's not a bind for a SINGLE button, then it's cheating. If the programmers wanted you to bunny hop so easily they would of made a button for it. CHEATING CHEATERS!!

[Komet.nl]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Thank you for this glorious conclusion Komet! Now we all know it is ok to use macros! Thank you!

Ahem..

You are not the decider Komet, DICE is. DICE has already decided, and it's considered cheating regardless if they "don't give an advantage" (which they all do to an extent).

Haha what the! How could I well that's strange didn't checked my message for grammatical errors etc. (As this one )

And I know Dice already decided but as I said 'my conclusion '

Well I hope Macro's won't be banned or something since I don't use them often only for the spot menu since that will hopefully save my mouse from getting a breakdown or something.. I'm almost finished with it and after that I'll buy a Copperhead. :)

~ Komet