When do you zoom your weapons?

[davelisowski]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

It doesn't increase accuracy on the first shot, but I believe it reduces recoil, so unless you're going to go single-shot with the support guns you should still zoom.

Hmm. So take the M249 SAW, for example:
Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone 3.5/1.5/1
Deviation Mod when Zoomed 1
Deviation Added per Shot 0.3 (2)
Recoil 0.25 - 0.45
Recoil when Zoomed 0.5

So if you are unloading a clip, zoomed prone would give you deviation of 1+1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And the recoil would be .5.
But unzoomed prone would be a deviation of 1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And recoil would be .25-.45 (.45 for most of the clip).

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the numbers?

[DuffMan]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

something i learned:

it is actually more inaccurate while zoomed. All weapons (besides the sniper rifles) have a higher recoil when using the iron sights...

just a little tid-bit of info for ya

Pistols, yes. Everything else, no.

[Bubas]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

Hmm. So take the M249 SAW, for example:
Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone 3.5/1.5/1
Deviation Mod when Zoomed 1
Deviation Added per Shot 0.3 (2)
Recoil 0.25 - 0.45
Recoil when Zoomed 0.5

So if you are unloading a clip, zoomed prone would give you deviation of 1+1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And the recoil would be .5.
But unzoomed prone would be a deviation of 1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And recoil would be .25-.45 (.45 for most of the clip).

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the numbers?

If this is accurate then I will stop using the Zoom, it adds 1 to the deviation and 0.5 recoil...It´s better to paint a dot in the midle of the screen .
Must read the weapons chart for the other weapons.

[evilzucchini]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

maybe if you are a spray and pray type of player the recoil amount will really hurt you.

However, you should be shooting is small bursts anyway and the most important shot is your first. Landing that puts you at an immediate advantage.

[WolfAlmighty]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

Hmm. So take the M249 SAW, for example:
Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone 3.5/1.5/1
Deviation Mod when Zoomed 1
Deviation Added per Shot 0.3 (2)
Recoil 0.25 - 0.45
Recoil when Zoomed 0.5

So if you are unloading a clip, zoomed prone would give you deviation of 1+1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And the recoil would be .5.
But unzoomed prone would be a deviation of 1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And recoil would be .25-.45 (.45 for most of the clip).

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the numbers?

Ah, okay, thanks for posting the info (I CBA to have looked it up at the time :p ). See, the deviation mod when zoomed is what you're looking at, which is 1 for the support guns (all other guns have a number of lower than one, meaning you gain a deviation/accuracy benefit in from zooming), and the recoil mod for zooming is .5, meaning it will recoil half as much when zoomed than it would unzoomed.

Edit:

If this is accurate then I will stop using the Zoom, it adds 1 to the deviation and 0.5 recoil...It´s better to paint a dot in the midle of the screen .
Must read the weapons chart for the other weapons.

It doesn't add anything, those are modifiers (if it helps, think of them as multipliers). So basically, if a gun has a deviation of .5, for example, and a deviation mod of 1 while zoomed, it would have a deviation of .5 (.5 x 1) while zoomed. If, on the other hand, it had a deviation mod of .8 while zoomed, the total deviation while zoomed would be .4 (.5 x .8). So a recoil mod when zoomed of .5 means that you take the base recoil for the weapon and multiply it by .5 (essentially dividing it by two). Basically it means it has half the recoil when zoomed than it does when unzoomed.

~Wolfgang

[tcp1]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

Zoom and actually aim for the head. I have found this to be very effective. Especially with one-shot kill headshot weapons. The F2000 is great for this.

[motorboatJones]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

I'm not going to use zoom in close like I have been. I often times lose sight of someone in a close quarters fight while zoomed, and now that I have seen the deviation data on BF2S it doesn't make sense.

Old habits are hard to break. I am so used to hitting that zoom, it will take a while to get used to not zooming.

[BryanG]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

ALL THE TIME! Unless I run into you off guard. If I try to kill you, I'm aiming.

[WolfAlmighty]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

I'm not going to use zoom in close like I have been. I often times lose sight of someone in a close quarters fight while zoomed, and now that I have seen the deviation data on BF2S it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons zooming while in close isn't a good idea. Your visibility is limited and if the other guy is moving around you won't be able to see where he went. Mobility is the other reason - when you're zoomed you cannot run, but rather just slowly creep along while the other guy is running circles at you shooting. Zooming does make you more accurate and give you less recoil, but in really close-quarters fights visibility and mobility will be much greater assets than a bit more accuracy ever will. If you have the drop on someone, though, and you can take time to aim at them even in closer quarters then by all means to so.

~Wolfgang

[motorboatJones]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

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[imported_Nefarious]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

I only zoom if I need more accuracy. I never zoom at close range, cause it slows me down.

[markan dorka]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

I can't say when I zoom and when not .. it depends 100% on situation and is always a gut reaction - whether I need that extra second of firing or that tiny accuracy boost

When I zoom, it's often when shooting at someone who doesn't see me, so I'll have leisure of wasting few seconds.

When I don't, it's always versus the guy who sees me as well. I don't mind if he gets double my accuracy, if I shoot more than twice the amount of bullets.

I usually go as far as maybe 50m before I start zooming more often than not. Zooming makes it harder to track fast enemies, and often the targets are visible for just 1-2 seconds, making the zoom useless to start with.

[Eddy01741]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

Hmm. So take the M249 SAW, for example:
Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone 3.5/1.5/1
Deviation Mod when Zoomed 1
Deviation Added per Shot 0.3 (2)
Recoil 0.25 - 0.45
Recoil when Zoomed 0.5

So if you are unloading a clip, zoomed prone would give you deviation of 1+1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And the recoil would be .5.
But unzoomed prone would be a deviation of 1+.03/shot with a max of 2. And recoil would be .25-.45 (.45 for most of the clip).

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the numbers?

Those are bad stats, here is the REAL INI file for the SAW (yea i'm updated to patch 1.3)


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[jdrou]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

Those are bad stats, here is the REAL INI file for the SAW (yea i'm updated to patch 1.3)

You may want to double-check the datestamp on that file because it is not the one in the 1.3 patch. There is no devModZoom line in the USLMG_M249SAW.tweak file in the 1.3 patch (meaning it defaults to 1) and the stance modifiers are also wrong. Your file appears to be from the 1.12 patch. (I have the objects_server.zip from 1.12, 1.2, and 1.3 on my PC.)

[lds4567]

Re: When do you zoom your weapons?

at close range i dont and thats the only time i dont