The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

[machstem]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

All valid points, but I stay by my perception that the Cobra, overall, is the winner. It might just be my bias towards liking the following helos: AH-1Z/Huey/AH-64A(D), but I feel more comfortable with the Cobra.

It does all come down to the gunner though. And as for the blast radius of the .50cal shell blast on the MI-8, I'd be stupid to dispute the overall raw power of it, but the Cobra can do the same with splash damage, it just takes a couple seconds longer.

I've noticed that the Cobra's chaingun is best used with splash damage, and not trying to hit the infantry. As for being AT, I've gotten really good at locking on to helicopters since 1.22, and it's normally enough to get them running away or at least think twice about camping.

Again, I think overall it does come down to the team playing in the helicopter, but I can see your point about the .50cal shells blasting away on an unexpecting Cobra. Sometimes I wonder what the chances are that you kill someone by punching through the cockpit of the opposing helicopter.

Normally, when I'm gunner (rare, because I don't trust other pilots), I aim for the side of the cockpit, therefore I only start shooting when the enemy isn't facing me, and it's even a quicker kill when we're in an MI-8, so I agree with you.

PEACE

[Strega]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

lol, How can you compare the 2 choppers and say its unbvalanced when you dont take all things into consideration lol. And personally as a excellent gunner/pilot, the Cobra every time wins hands down!!! SPecially with the 1.3 patch lol. How many times does the missle go through the combra compared to the havoc!!!! Infct i dont think ive had a missle go 'through' a havoc. As for the gun being weak on the cobra, ********. Learn to aim youth!!!

Havoc is a fat heap of **** for noobs, Cobra is for the skilled people. SImple as. As for china, well thats just a heap of crap, all the characteristics of the havoc without the firepower. SH!T!!!

Please add this user to the list of complete f'n retards.

Thank you.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

I feel confident as a Cobra pilot. I feel that I can rely less on the gunner and I can meneuver my ass out of the trouble better. keyword is "feel".

Now, if I have a great Havoc gunner, I feel almost godlike. I can maneuver off TV missile shots, but I can keep him at his gun angle at all times, even in heavy maneuvering. So- I dont mind having a crappy gunner in Cobra in helo vs helo fight. I dont mind having a crappy gunner in Havoc in ATS fight.

Its mostly about the combination. However, one can not ignore the fact that Havoc is so much bigger as a TV missile target.

[Alcorr]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

The cobra is more agile, havoc is more powerful, in cobra vs. havoc fights, cobra should almost always win, its just more agile so should always have the better angle.

[Strega]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

The cobra is more agile, havoc is more powerful, in cobra vs. havoc fights, cobra should almost always win, its just more agile so should always have the better angle.

No, the helo with the best gunner wins. It doesn't matter what chopper you are in. TV missiles win chopper fights, not chain guns.

[The_Misfit]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

using the helo's guns in a cobra vs. havok comparison is stupid, unless of course you have one of those nubs that hops in the chopper, switches to gunner, and then never uses his TV.

I was getting some helo time in over the wkend, trying to give classes other than Assault some love. Most of the time was with a clanmate, and all of our helo fights came down to who saw who 1st and got off a decent TV shot. The TV missle is the great equalizer.

I will say though, that the Havok gun can take out the cobra on its own if you have a gunner who cant/wont TV. Dodge his missle fire, let the gunner keep on him, and he's down. I do wish the cobra's gun was a little more effective, I've watched gunners shoot at AFK people and have to stay on them for a few seconds before getting a kill. The Havok gun is great for infantry, but the cobra seems to handle/fly better. I compare the Havok to a flying tank, whereas the cobra is much more agile.

[bitvomit]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

I do wish the cobra's gun was a little more effective, I've watched gunners shoot at AFK people and have to stay on them for a few seconds before getting a kill. The Havok gun is great for infantry, but the cobra seems to handle/fly better. I compare the Havok to a flying tank, whereas the cobra is much more agile.

Yea, I can agree with that. I've shot point blank at countless AFK's only to realize how amazingly weak the cannon is. It shouldn't take a 2-3 second continuous burst of HIGH EXPLOSIVE ammunition to kill someone that's AFK. That's just absurd

[machstem]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Yea, I can agree with that. I've shot point blank at countless AFK's only to realize how amazingly weak the cannon is. It shouldn't take a 2-3 second continuous burst of HIGH EXPLOSIVE ammunition to kill someone that's AFK. That's just absurd

Maybe it's a hack. If we all stodd still without doing anything, I wonder if we'd die....care to try it out?

What I find most funny is that like a jet rarely getting killed other than by another jet, the same tends to lean in the helicopter's direction too. It's not to say that the AA and mobile AA sites aren't effective against the choppers, but I find myself battling helicopters head on more often than none, mostly because it is the only vehicle in the game with so much versatility: great vehicle to "sneak" onto the enemy, great evading techniques, great against ground, great against air (except for jet). There is an exception to every rule, but the helo is still a power house when used properly, whether you have the Havoc or the Cobra, it's all dependant on the team.

One of my favorites is "noobing" the MI-8 cannon on any random flag, à la Kubra Dam, and racking up kills when you can't even see the flag (view distance). Great stuff. It's like being able to call out an enemy by spotting them across the map! :)

PEACE

[dEaDi]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Why don't you join the TWL 2Vs2 Chopper Ladder and we will see . Once you've joined look for the SFX Clan and challenge us. http://www.teamwarfare.com/viewteam.asp?team=Team%20SFX


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I dont have a good co-pilot, not upto par anyway

Ill go 1v2 lol i do better on my own than most people that stumble into my chopper lol

Your logic doesn't make sense too me? IF, according to you, the Havoc is less manouverable, bigger, slower etc etc, why is it for novices? IMO, the Cobra is for noobs/novices because it is soo easy to fly. "Bring it On!"



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True, no chopper is for noobs really, Not unless you want go on a suicide mission anyway lol

[Sloi sauce]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

They all have advantages and disadvantages. Havoc has a powerful gun while the Cobra has maneuverability and tight missiles: the only one that seems left out is the chinese helo, though one could say that it strikes a balance between the Havoc and Cobra in terms of missile patterns and agility.

In competent hands, any helo can win.

[NATESOR]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

very true the havoc's cannon is much better, but the cobra can out climb and out manuever the havoc. In helo vs. helo, altitude is usually key.

[HoodyHoodRat]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Yes the cobra gun sucks balls compared to the grenade launcher that belongs to the havoc. But the havoc is so goddamn big its easy to place 5 rockets right in its face or a tv missle right up in there. Basicly they cancel each other out, but it a show down I would much rather be in the cobra flying or gunning.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

[Consultant01]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

The main gun on the T-90 is way more powerful than the main gun on the Vodnik too, want to complain about that?

They may both be "Attack helicopters" but they implement their purpose totally differently.

The Havoc is a big fat lumbering hog of a chopper whos gun is more powerful while the USMC Cobra version is smaller, thinner, more nimble and the gun dishes out less damage per shot...

Sustained fire, however, will kill in the same amount of time...




if I have one gun doing 5 damage per shot and 1 shot per second and another gun doing 10 damager per shot and 1 shot every two seconds, they are doing the same damage over time, right?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

If you have high ping and youre going to miss shots, lose shots due to lag and whatnot- the gun with the biggest splash damage wins