The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

[Tobacco]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Havoc is a fat heap of **** for noobs, Cobra is for the skilled people. SImple as. As for china, well thats just a heap of crap, all the characteristics of the havoc without the firepower. SH!T!!!

Why don't you join the TWL 2Vs2 Chopper Ladder and we will see . Once you've joined look for the SFX Clan and challenge us. http://www.teamwarfare.com/viewteam.asp?team=Team%20SFX


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[hemansoft]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

becuse i dont now that any choper lader its, but THX i join now

[sithdemon]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

the cobra's cannon might not be as good against infantry, however since it's more maneuverable, and has a high rate of fire. With a good pilot in a chopper duel it's easy to eat up a mec chopper. meaning you can then not worry about said chopper, and go rack up some kills worry free from being TVed your self.

personally I've seen ALL the choppers do well in the hands of a good pilot gunner combo, my self and others I've faced. Even the chinese one can do some real damage in the right hands.

In terms of facing AA, I would not want to be in the mec one for sure, it's large profile and less maneuverability makes it easy for good AAers like my self to hit it with the flak, far far away.

[Scort]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

I voted yes, but then again, the Havoc has a 30mm cannon, whereas the Cobra has 20mm, so it's to be expected.

It makes a change for the 'other side' to have something that beats the US kit, think Black Hawk guns vs those of the Sky Cow

Don't think, and hope to god it doesn't happent, that this is something for Dice/EA to change though!

Scort.

[HypnosisFX]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Hey zipp0r, Played with you online [NUTZ]dEaDi

I agree, i love the cobra, its by far the best heli for gunning and flying, It also seems to have some magic anti missle defence on it more than the others where missles go through it, get to it then shoot another direction etc lol. 1.3 is so screwed up lol.

Havoc(MEC CHOPPER) is for novices, cobra rules. China's may as well be sent to the scrap yard lol

Dude ive gunned in both helo's and i dont wanna hear that crap about the Havoc is for noobs. its the truth that the cobra's main gun is garbage. The only advantage that cobra helos is its ability to get higher faster than a havoc. Ive killed many cobra's with good gunners and pilots with ease.

[Tobacco]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Havoc(MEC CHOPPER) is for novices, cobra rules. China's may as well be sent to the scrap yard lol

Your logic doesn't make sense too me? IF, according to you, the Havoc is less manouverable, bigger, slower etc etc, why is it for novices? IMO, the Cobra is for noobs/novices because it is soo easy to fly. "Bring it On!"



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[PSUfan61]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

While the havoc may have superior hit power per round, I prefer gunning in the Cobra because me and another good pilot will wreak carnage on a map like wake. The gun is very easy to use to kill infantry, so if the enemy is stuck on 1 or two bases, let the raping begin

[bitvomit]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

I havn't seen anyone mention this but the havoc can actually turn faster than the cobra. Not sure if this is something subjective or if it has concrete truths somewhere in the script files relating to the havoc.

While the havoc may have superior hit power per round, I prefer gunning in the Cobra because me and another good pilot will wreak carnage on a map like wake. The gun is very easy to use to kill infantry, so if the enemy is stuck on 1 or two bases, let the raping begin

Yea, wake island vs another chopper of similiar ability with no havoc in sight. I'd like to see how long you'd last 2on2 vs a havoc. The gun on the cobra is weak even compared to the cannon on the BTR and LAV. With a good pilot you can slaughter infantry in any chopper but even when I get pathetic pilots I can slaughter infantry in the havoc. Try the same thing in the cobra, it won't work. A testament to the awesome power of the 30mm cannon that the havoc has. I'd really love to see the cobras cannon have similiar specs and now that it has been mentioned, the Z-10.

[.Churr.]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

The the Havoc is good only when it's used against infantry - what means the only map where it holds an advantage agains the AH-1Z is Sharqi. If people stopped playing Sharqi 24/7 it wouldn't bother them.

The AH-1Z is the best chopper. If you have a decent gunner that can TV-M reasonably well, and a decent pilot the Mi-28 is pwnd in every dogfight.

[machstem]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

It may be weaker in guns, but I will pick and play with a Cobra over the MI-8 anytime, and win. If your gunner is competent, and you or your buddy is a great pilot, the MI-8 doesn't stand a chance.

It does, however, come down to overall teamwork on the pilot and gunner's part. I've done loads of damage with both the guns, able to pin the enemy down to one base and rape them within the buildings they hide in, or the paths they think are OK to travel.

As a infantry, I'd rather go up against a MI-8 than a Cobra when being AT, as the surface is much easier to hit than on a Cobra. If you shoot the other helicopters or vehicles on the sides, I feel the Cobra's guns do plenty of damage.

You want to talk about the weaker of the attack helos: The chinese helo isn't bad, but that gunner reticle and the slow turn response make it an easy target against the Cobra...for the most part.

PEACE

[phen0m]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

I'd personally rather have a Havoc than a Cobra, but thats just lil ol me.

[Ghilleman]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

yea, the havoc has HE rounds, while the cobra gets a chaingun. I think thats the big difference between them.

[Revoluti0n]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

You guys haven't met the Tiger chopper yet :) . It's as fast and agile as the Cobra, but has the guns of the Havok...that's what I call power.

The Cobra has some advantages over the Havok, speed and maneuverability, but on the gunpower it loses.

That chopper is garbage. It flips over so quick it's downright retarded. The collision mesh is all screwed up as well. You takee 3-4 bars off just trying to turn it around as you try and take off. The last patch they mentioned it would be fixed, all they did was add that text to the changelog so it would seem.
When you are flying in it, it feels more like a boat ride at Disneyland than an attack chopper. It sucks period. Besides there really isn't any good servers that I know of that even play EF anymore.
The best chopper was the Apache Longbow from SF, that is the best chopper in this game hands down. Too bad they nerfed the missiles on that too. :cry:

[imported_Boots]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

The cobras cannon owns compared to the helicopters in SF. The gunner has his tv missile and thats it. The Apache actually has a little bit better gun on the front of it then the hind, but compared to what both guns are capable of they are weak in-game.

The cobra should have a huge recoil but do a huge area of effect. So you fire at a flag the entire area is hit, and if your an unlucky infantry guy you will die. The cobras gun over all in bf2 is pretty good. I have no problems killing infantry. Splash damage isn't near is high as the havoc's, this is truth. Atleast though you can shoot infantry when you see them and kill them. The cobra over all is a nice helicopter. The cannon on the havoc can be the death of a good pilot though in the cobra. It will die almost instantly.

So maybe you can't shoot into the construction site and get 4 or 5 kills at once, but if you see infantry with the cobra as a gunner, you can kill them. Which is way more then an apache, or hind gunner.

I disagree, I think the HIND's cannon is on par and the Longbow's canon is a tad bit better (hardly much, maybe a little more splash)

[bitvomit]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

It may be weaker in guns, but I will pick and play with a Cobra over the MI-8 anytime, and win. If your gunner is competent, and you or your buddy is a great pilot, the MI-8 doesn't stand a chance.

It does, however, come down to overall teamwork on the pilot and gunner's part. I've done loads of damage with both the guns, able to pin the enemy down to one base and rape them within the buildings they hide in, or the paths they think are OK to travel.

As a infantry, I'd rather go up against a MI-8 than a Cobra when being AT, as the surface is much easier to hit than on a Cobra. If you shoot the other helicopters or vehicles on the sides, I feel the Cobra's guns do plenty of damage.

You want to talk about the weaker of the attack helos: The chinese helo isn't bad, but that gunner reticle and the slow turn response make it an easy target against the Cobra...for the most part.

PEACE

Everyone keeps assuming that a good cobra team vs a havoc with an unknown skill level is the ideal match. What an obvious way to show the inadequacies of any weapon in the game. I've shot down many cobra teams both good and bad with the havoc. I usually let the gunner do his thing and line him up properly for some nasty shots should he miss with the TV missile. I miss out on alot of kills with my missiles cause that damn cannon is so powerful! With a good gunner you can even eject the cobras crew! The cobra is also capable of this but obviously it's not gonna be as easy as it is with the havoc :p

How many times have you mysteriously lost large amounts of health only to find out it was a pesky havoc that was right behind you? Sometimes I purposely refuse TV missile shots from my gunner just to see the cannon do it's thing. What a great way to scare the **** out of the opposing teams chopper!

One point that I forgot to mention about the havocs cannon is that it can penetrate multiple objects. If someone is hiding in a concrete bunker you can just shoot right through it and get the kill. I don't know if this is possible with the cobra but I have tried many times and failed to notice any sort of effect.

As AT I'd rather be going up against a tank than an attack chopper. If your first rocket doesn't blow the attack chopper up then you are definitly ****ed. As a matter of fact, shooting AT missiles against any chopper is a total waste of time and ammo unless you wanna annoy them with the buzzer noise. Save it for the stupid guys that fly low and still. You'll never nail a good chopper team with anything except tanks, jeeps, AA, choppers and jets.