The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

[bitvomit]

That's right, I said it. Compared to the havoc, the cobras cannon is downright garbage. It takes 3-5 seconds of continuous fire to kill just one ground troop and it overheats so damn fast that it's not even funny. The splash damage, if you can even call it that, seems to have no effect on infantry which means you need direct hits to kill someone. Don't get me started on attempting to kill vehicles with this stupid piece of ****...

Contrast this to the havoc and you'll find that even tough the ROF is slower; all it takes is just 1-2 well placed shots to kill any infantry, it takes FOREVER for the gun to overheat, it eats through vehicles like acid, it can be spammed randomly about for kills with minor compensation for overheating, and most of all it can clown any cobra crew provided you have a good gunner. I know the havoc is supposed to have a 30mm cannon irl that rivals the puny 20mm cannon on the cobra but c'mon, the choppers need to be balanced for the sake of gameplay. I can now safely say without a shadow of a doubt that the havoc is the J-10 of the attack choppers.

Please bear in mind that I'm only comparing the cannons; all other characteristics for both choppers are just fine.

[WDA_Endless954]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Ditto what you said.

[Dr.x]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Thats cause its more agile , the Havoc is heavier cause it carries AP rounds in the gun , The Cobra Does not. The Z-10 much the same almost spot on to the US helo. So good practice is to not let the mec helo get guns into you.

Also , Burst shots are for the win...

[slidero]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

I can now safely say without a shadow of a doubt that the havoc is the J-10 of the attack choppers.

Well if it didn't get hit by missiles and was more maneuverable than the cobra you might be right. But it's not. The havoc is larger than the cobra and is far less maneuverable.

The difference in cannon strength only really matters on sharqi anyway, on every other map you're going to be killing a lot more armor, and the cobra is better at that.

[Oxy]

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You obviously suck at using the cobra if you think that. 3-5 seconds of continuous fire to kill one ground troop? No. You just cant aim well enough with it obviously.

[claevade]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

You guys haven't met the Tiger chopper yet :) . It's as fast and agile as the Cobra, but has the guns of the Havok...that's what I call power.

The Cobra has some advantages over the Havok, speed and maneuverability, but on the gunpower it loses.

[TITAN126]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Yes, the Cobra's gun is very underpowered compared to the Havoc's. However, the Cobra is much more manuverable, so it balances out imo.

[SaladFork]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

The Havok is also bigger, and fatter. For planes and ground troops, it's much larger of a target. It's turning speed is also slightly slower, and thus makes it harder to dodge missiles.

Also, the main point of a gunner is the TV missile, not the cannon. Everyone can agree that the Havok has the best cannon, but the only time you should be using it is if the map is 100% clear of armor, which is very rare.

~Salad

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Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

The cobras cannon owns compared to the helicopters in SF. The gunner has his tv missile and thats it. The Apache actually has a little bit better gun on the front of it then the hind, but compared to what both guns are capable of they are weak in-game.

The cobra should have a huge recoil but do a huge area of effect. So you fire at a flag the entire area is hit, and if your an unlucky infantry guy you will die. The cobras gun over all in bf2 is pretty good. I have no problems killing infantry. Splash damage isn't near is high as the havoc's, this is truth. Atleast though you can shoot infantry when you see them and kill them. The cobra over all is a nice helicopter. The cannon on the havoc can be the death of a good pilot though in the cobra. It will die almost instantly.

So maybe you can't shoot into the construction site and get 4 or 5 kills at once, but if you see infantry with the cobra as a gunner, you can kill them. Which is way more then an apache, or hind gunner.

[WNxVertVa]

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The havocs gun is like a flipping grenade launcher but if there is a a decent pilot in the cobra its easy to keep the havoc on the ground

[Punisher18]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

indeed it is. go play sharqi and you WILL see the differance.

[Demonicfrog]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Cobra works better against armor. Havoc slaughters infantry. Pretty balanced, actually.

[vets.Sarge]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

havok = tv-guided missle magnet. Huge, bad handling, climbs slowly. missles so far apart you can only get both sides to hit a target if you approach it from the side. has a cannon that massacres infantry

cobra = harder to hit, missles placed properly, more agile, climbs faster (height = enemy gunner can't hit you) cannon perfectly capable of major destruction


They're not unbalanced at all. you, good sir, need more experience in choppers (and tv-guided missles)

[bitvomit]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

havok = tv-guided missle magnet. Huge, bad handling, climbs slowly. missles so far apart you can only get both sides to hit a target if you approach it from the side. has a cannon that massacres infantry

cobra = harder to hit, missles placed properly, more agile, climbs faster (height = enemy gunner can't hit you) cannon perfectly capable of major destruction


They're not unbalanced at all. you, good sir, need more experience in choppers (and tv-guided missles)

I have plenty of experience in BF2 period, thank you very much. The fact of the matter here is that the cobras gun is extremely weak compared to the havok. I never brought the agility of the two choppers or my skill level into this debate as the only thing I am concerned about is the power of the havocs cannon vs the cobra. I can obliterate infantry without even thinking while I'm gunning in the havoc and I can't help but to think of how overly-powerful and cheap the weapon I am using is, especially compared to the cobra.

Hypothetically speaking, if you get two good pilots and two good gunners in a chopper duel and both gunners miss their tv missiles, who do you think is gonna win? Obviously the havoc. The cobra gunner is gonna be firing short bursts that do pitiful damage to the havoc meanwhile the havoc gunner is gonna have a blast holding down his fire button.

The inequalities are even more apparant in sharqi. The havoc is free to reign terror on infantry left and right while amassing ridiculous scores meanwhile USMCs cobra is terribly ineffective against infantry leaving you overheated even when you employ burstfire; not that burstfire is a logical thing to do when it takes a large amount of shots to kill infantry. Yes, I've amassed crazy scores gunning in the cobra but the fact is that the havoc has an unfair power advantage. Why do you think USMC is always trying to rob MEC's chopper? duhhhh

The point I'm trying to get to here is that both cannons need to be balanced and even. The cobras splash damage, damage, and time to overheat should be more in line with the havocs if not identical. If the J-10 had the same cannon as the havoc and no other jet had it, everyone would be bitching.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: The Cobras cannon is weak and pathetic compared to the havoc

Ive come to conclusion that theres a ladder of requirements that have to be met in order to gun well in Cobra.

1.-2. Low ping
1.-2. Good pilot
3. Correct shooting technique

Low ping is a direct impact on the success of yoru shots. With Cobras cannon, one can inflict the same damage on troops as with the Havocs. The lack of splash damage radius can be compensated with aiming at their legs. Bursts are advised.