Are aircraft out of balance?

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

lol, Cybercow went hunting old posts of mine just to flame.

He's a special boy.

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The whole aircraft vs gound pounders is whack! What this game needs is SAMS! Fix these jets, nothing else works, all aa does is give your position away

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cybercrow, why ressurect this thread for a comment like that?? rather than saying you sux, you could've expanded as to how he might sux less!

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What if flares had a realistic chance of failure? I watched your video and I saw an AA missle (or 2?) zip past your flares and pop you in the tail, is that about right?

Are you saying that should be impossible?

And in the same breath, Im not foolish enough to actually expect anything in this game (or any game) to be a 1 shot guarangeed kill (except maybe sniper headshots) but if the flares had a 30% even, chance to fail, that may be all the difference we need.

And I'm still waiting for a decent set of instructions on how to best use the AA, because like I said in a previous post...here's what happens.

1. I get lock and the jet burns out of range
2. I get lock and the jet drops out of line of sight
3. I get lock and the jet drops flares and my missles lose target
4. I get lock and wait for the flares and by the time they disipate the jet is out of range.

So please, Im still asking, ANY benevolant experience expert AA user to inform me how to get even SOMEWHAT consistent kills.

Look, I could go to single player and re-tune my flying skills if I wanted to and join the "You just suck crowd" but that's not what interests me.

mmkay?


(and as for what you said about "it isnt hard to aim the machine gun, but to get that far, I did a lot." in regard to putting fire on a stationary AA site, thats crap... lol... you took off from an airstrip, circled wide around the outside of a map, lined up a strafing run you've probably made 10,000 times and held down a button and racked up a kill. That isnt a lot... lol

learn how to use the AA better,you sux.

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Wow, you lot seem to have selective memories, (maybe I have) in pilots defence I don't recall a mass complaint about S2A in 1.2. There were a lot complaining about A2A but not S2A, was there?

In 1.2 I remeber flying and thinking 'oh gawd I hope they cap that point' now as has been stated it's a minor annoyance. I have to hold my hand up and for purely selfish reasons want ground AA as good as 1.2. I can get a Jet easy :)

Zip that vid You went up from ground AA fired flares in missles path, if you went down then the missles would have lost lock you.

it would have gone after the plane no matter which way it went lol

That Static Anti-Air isn't a progressive weapon. You don't get better at it. It is what it is up to a certain point of common sense.

So. No, he won't get better at it. He will get lucky.

{WP}Paas

he will get better at using it. there are certain tricks you can do and you'll learn the best times to fire to get both missiles hitting.
obviously im not going to tell anyone how they should use aa and what tricks there are, im a pilot so i hate it and dont want people to shoot at me

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Wow, you lot seem to have selective memories, (maybe I have) in pilots defence I don't recall a mass complaint about S2A in 1.2. There were a lot complaining about A2A but not S2A, was there?

In 1.2 I remeber flying and thinking 'oh gawd I hope they cap that point' now as has been stated it's a minor annoyance. I have to hold my hand up and for purely selfish reasons want ground AA as good as 1.2. I can get a Jet easy :)

Zip that vid You went up from ground AA fired flares in missles path, if you went down then the missles would have lost lock you.

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i said before, you'll learn how to use aa better in time, just get in the aa when its not coming for you and you'll get them.

That Static Anti-Air isn't a progressive weapon. You don't get better at it. It is what it is up to a certain point of common sense.

So. No, he won't get better at it. He will get lucky.

{WP}Paas

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What if flares had a realistic chance of failure? I watched your video and I saw an AA missle (or 2?) zip past your flares and pop you in the tail, is that about right?

Are you saying that should be impossible?

And in the same breath, Im not foolish enough to actually expect anything in this game (or any game) to be a 1 shot guarangeed kill (except maybe sniper headshots) but if the flares had a 30% even, chance to fail, that may be all the difference we need.

And I'm still waiting for a decent set of instructions on how to best use the AA, because like I said in a previous post...here's what happens.

1. I get lock and the jet burns out of range
2. I get lock and the jet drops out of line of sight
3. I get lock and the jet drops flares and my missles lose target
4. I get lock and wait for the flares and by the time they disipate the jet is out of range.

So please, Im still asking, ANY benevolant experience expert AA user to inform me how to get even SOMEWHAT consistent kills.

Look, I could go to single player and re-tune my flying skills if I wanted to and join the "You just suck crowd" but that's not what interests me.

mmkay?


(and as for what you said about "it isnt hard to aim the machine gun, but to get that far, I did a lot." in regard to putting fire on a stationary AA site, thats crap... lol... you took off from an airstrip, circled wide around the outside of a map, lined up a strafing run you've probably made 10,000 times and held down a button and racked up a kill. That isnt a lot... lol

it didnt go past them, it did "dot to dot" on every flare and then came for the plane, a missile flys mostly straight and takes time to turn. imagine a bullet that bounces off 10 walls, does a 180 turn and headshots you :laugh:

i said before, you'll learn how to use aa better in time, just get in the aa when its not coming for you and you'll get them.

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What if flares had a realistic chance of failure? I watched your video and I saw an AA missle (or 2?) zip past your flares and pop you in the tail, is that about right?

Are you saying that should be impossible?

And in the same breath, Im not foolish enough to actually expect anything in this game (or any game) to be a 1 shot guarangeed kill (except maybe sniper headshots) but if the flares had a 30% even, chance to fail, that may be all the difference we need.

And I'm still waiting for a decent set of instructions on how to best use the AA, because like I said in a previous post...here's what happens.

1. I get lock and the jet burns out of range
2. I get lock and the jet drops out of line of sight
3. I get lock and the jet drops flares and my missles lose target
4. I get lock and wait for the flares and by the time they disipate the jet is out of range.

So please, Im still asking, ANY benevolant experience expert AA user to inform me how to get even SOMEWHAT consistent kills.

Look, I could go to single player and re-tune my flying skills if I wanted to and join the "You just suck crowd" but that's not what interests me.

mmkay?


(and as for what you said about "it isnt hard to aim the machine gun, but to get that far, I did a lot." in regard to putting fire on a stationary AA site, thats crap... lol... you took off from an airstrip, circled wide around the outside of a map, lined up a strafing run you've probably made 10,000 times and held down a button and racked up a kill. That isnt a lot... lol

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Just as infantry has to spend all of it's time dodging Artillery, Dodging Jet Bombing raids, dealing with tanks, etc. etc.

I really gave a big nod with this statement. I primarily soldier on the ground. And mostly not in ANY vehical. I prefer it. Its me, its fine. But again, as Infantry, the amount of ground vehicals, enemy soldiers, claymores, mines, snipers, tanks, apc's and enemy arty......the amount of stuff im avoiding already is insano. Now throw in the cannon jet fighter sprayer, and the spamming 5 bomb jettison cluster bomber...and holy smokes.........
For a sole infantry, not using supply or medic bonus points, to score 70 points, to some self professed skilled jet pilot, that scored 100 points......

oh well, this debate will never be settled. Why? Pilots/tankers, grounders helos, everyone wants the one up. Take the one away, and folks are gonna get mad.
Maybe no points/rankings, is the better idea?

Thanks, guys....... I work 2nd shift, and gotta go to work........this post has successfully taken away, the 1 hour i had before work to play the game.

lol

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youve had **** players in the aa if they didnt hit u flying at, over and past an aa site.

Whatever you say.

"I'll force feed you some Air Combat there if you like."

You're leaving out the part about PRMM. As for Vanilla, wouldn't be caught dead unless I got invited to the Killer Bannans server or somthing.

you wanted to own, pwn, prawn, frag, rape and annihilate, me.. i said yes go for it. dont pretend to wimp out cos of a word

...whoa. Own, Pwn... I said all that? Anyways, download PRMM. Come get you some. If you don't want to, fair enough. It's optional. Yet, I'm not going to put myself at a disadvantage playing Vanilla. Nope.

In PRMM the Mobile Anti-Air and Static is Very effective. I don't think you would last. I guess that's the point I'm trying to make, you wouldn't last.

In Vanilla I would just be kicking myself in the throat.

{WP}Paas

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I didn't say it was easy. I said it could be done, has been done, and continues to be done.



I don't agree.



I also don't agree with this. I'm not going to say you're wrong (I think you are though) but my experiences in Jets are completely different from what you're claiming here. Either I'm just outrageously lucky, or your "scenarios" aren't as commonplace as you would like them to be.



You're not alive because you're "GOOD". Maybe in terms of Jet on Jet combat, yes. You're alive because you have the most powerful vehicle in the game, that also happens to be one of the hardest to hit. When you combine those two, it's not a miracle to see why a Jet pilot can have a field day on the ground units.



One match out of month! Give me a break. Fine, if you're going to be outrageously literall then "I don't play Vanilla BF2 hardly ever, like once a month or twice at best. Thus, my stats are not a very good judge of my talents because that haven't been calculating my 'true' playtime".

There. Hope that cleared it all up.



...after a line like that. Forget it. No offense, I would just rather not play with or against you at all.

{WP}Paas

youve had **** players in the aa if they didnt hit u flying at, over and past an aa site.


"I'll force feed you some Air Combat there if you like."

you wanted to own, pwn, prawn, frag, rape and annihilate, me.. i said yes go for it. dont pretend to wimp out cos of a word

One last thing...........

To all the super pilots, and folks who just think they are.......

I would think you would want extreme risks directed at you. Wouldn't that be more fun? I guess im built differently.

NOTHING satisfies me more then going in to flag, with a shotty, elimininating 5 guys gaurding it, laying a mine before i go into the flag zone, killing the approaching tank......killing, 2 or 3 more spawners, dodging a claymore....and ultimitly whiting, or capping the flag. Thats extreme risk, and extreme fun.
Not sure, why most pilots wouldnt want this same, stressful fun? Points aside, of course.

yea, i always have a fight against that damn mobile AA thats hard to find and sending loads of missiles my way :)

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One last thing...........

To all the super pilots, and folks who just think they are.......

I would think you would want extreme risks directed at you. Wouldn't that be more fun? I guess im built differently.

NOTHING satisfies me more then going in to flag, with a shotty, elimininating 5 guys gaurding it, laying a mine before i go into the flag zone, killing the approaching tank......killing, 2 or 3 more spawners, dodging a claymore....and ultimitly whiting, or capping the flag. Thats extreme risk, and extreme fun.
Not sure, why most pilots wouldnt want this same, stressful fun? Points aside, of course.

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it was more its godlike ability, point click die, you had to spend all your time shooting aa sites

Just as infantry has to spend all of it's time dodging Artillery, Dodging Jet Bombing raids, dealing with tanks, etc. etc.

All it did was bring the ground war to the Air. The Jets felt the sting of "lost ground". I'll admit it's a bit insane for them to dodge flares, yet, outside of flares I think the A.A. missiles where fine. So what the things can do a complete 180? Jets don't fight at 200mph like they do in the game.

...it was solid from a gameplay perspective. Very odd from a realism perspective, yet, as we all know realsim has know place in a vanilla BF2 debate.

no time to do anything else. then there were the planes that had the same missile. it was instant death to anything flying.

...no one really gave a darn if the planes were changed. As to why Dice did? Don't know. What I do know is S2A missiles did work well (too well, yes, they dodged flares and that was a bit too much), and that a very "slight" nerf of them was needed. Not almost a complete rewind to older versions. Heck, if they would have at least given back the locking distance I wouldn't be so bothered by all of this. Yet, now I have missiles that aren't crazy accurate, and a locking range shorter than Jet's cannons.

It's a double annoying situations from a ground perspective.

heres how bad they were, showing even flares wouldnt save you: http://media.putfile.com/godlike-aa-missiles

Seen it, laughed. Overbuffs happen.

{WP}Paas

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This whole thread is why I play infantry based maps more then others.

I love the BF series........but the planes and helos, always seem to mess up a good ol fashioned, squad versus squad, gunfight. For that.....yeah, i hate jets and copters.